kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, Ninos said: Exactly. Basically Winnall won difficult balls and consistently fed martin who received the balls and failed to execute. So it was a brief one sided "relationship." Winnall made a case for being first off the bench or perhaps taking Nugents spot at a push. This isn't tag team wrestling where we train Winnall and Martin together to replace the starting two, in the hopes of salvaging Martin's value. Martin did okay yesterday but he offered pretty much nothing that Nugent didn't. The dainty nuge tap back to Vydra for his second was Martinesque was it not. Can't help yourself eh ninos... But yes,martinesque but not Martin...who actually had a shot on target,on goal,yesterday in the brief time he was on..unlike Nugent (who I actually like a lot and don't feel the need to slag off to suit an personal agenda) Have a look at humility in the dictionary mate,you are winning at the moment but showing zero class with posts like this,I expected a little more.... No,actually,I didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Martin is a decent striker but I'm afraid he will really have to work on adding higher energy pressing and closing down defenders to his armoury if he is not going to be a bench striker coming on when the hard work has been done and games won already , it's what rowett wants from his strikers and we saw what results that kind of energy ,attitude and work rate can give to the team ,, Rowett may turn out to be good for martin if he can get him really up for that side of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Nugent and Vydra start and win the game and a Martin/Winnall thread is created, bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: Nugent and Vydra start and win the game and a Martin/Winnall thread is created, bonkers. Both Vydra and Nugent have had 'recent' injuries, what you gonna do if either or both get injured again? Just trust to luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, archied said: Martin is a decent striker but I'm afraid he will really have to work on adding higher energy pressing and closing down defenders to his armoury if he is not going to be a bench striker coming on when the hard work has been done and games won already , it's what rowett wants from his strikers and we saw what results that kind of energy ,attitude and work rate can give to the team ,, Rowett may turn out to be good for martin if he can get him really up for that side of the game True but when have you ever seen Martin press or track back to keep defensive shape? You really think its in his repertoire? From what I have seen if your team has Martin you play one way ... get the ball to Martin to hold up and give passes to players running through. If he can add some pace, or alternate a press and keeping defensive shape, that is to adapt to the system Rowett has going, all very well and fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 28 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: Martin...who actually had a shot on target,on goal,yesterday He did have a shot yesterday, but he was kind of selfish, instead of passing it to Winnall in the center of the box, he decided to shoot himself. And a chance has gone for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: He did have a shot yesterday, but he was kind of selfish, instead of passing it to Winnall in the center of the box, he decided to shoot himself. And a chance has gone for good. But that's what good partners do!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ninos said: True but when have you ever seen Martin press or track back to keep defensive shape? Yesterday he passed the ball backwards to Davies and he didn't bother to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, lioncoeur said: He did have a shot yesterday, but he was kind of selfish, instead of passing it to Winnall in the center of the box, he decided to shoot himself. And a chance has gone for good. Totally disagree. There were two occasions before this where he tried to play other players through when he could and perhaps should have got a shot off. He needs to shoot more. And on this occasion he produced a good effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: Yesterday he passed the ball backwards to Davies and he didn't bother to come back. This was one of the two earlier moves that broke down because he passed. He had ALREADY chased back to the hlfway line to try to retain possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, RamNut said: Totally disagree. There were two occasions before this where he tried to play other players through when he could and perhaps should have got a shot off. He needs to shoot more. And on this occasion he produced a good effort. That's exactly why David Nugent is playing and Chris Martin is not playing at the moment. David Nugent is always playing in the function of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, RamNut said: He had ALREADY chased back to the hlfway line to try to retain possession. He didn't chase back as he stood still in the middle, moving with his arms and showing some sort of hand signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, lioncoeur said: He didn't chase back as he stood still in the middle, moving with his arms and showing some sort of hand signs. Lol he was telling Davies to push up. davies was way too deep from memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, RamNut said: Lol he was telling Davies to push up. davies was way too deep from memory He is lazy bagger, that's how I am seeing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: He is lazy bagger, that's how I am seeing him. he 's a decent player, and a 100% Ram. if anything he can be too much of a team player. I think rowetts criticism that we were trying to score the perfect goal was a reference to the occasional overpassing. SSSHHHOOOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 21 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: That's exactly why David Nugent is playing and Chris Martin is not playing at the moment. David Nugent is always playing in the function of the team. Nugent is playing because he's in form at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Leicester Ram said: Giving Martin a striker partner will get him back to his best. He's one of the most intelligent players we have and he thrives when he has someone close to him. Happy to role with Vydra and Nuge right now but I expect Martin will play a big part this season. Winnall looks like a younger version of Nuge, which is exactly what we needed. Can't rely on a striker in their 30's all season. Outside of the obvious misfire and providing we can solve our lack of midfield, I think it's been a fairly successful window. Might not see the real benefits of it until next summer when the squads been cut down and we can bring players in much easier. I think the key to this is having a second striker willing enough to go hunting deeper if the ball doesn't come. Vydra dropped deep a fair bit the other day and it worked. I see no reason why this can't happen in any permutation of the 4 dangerous men we have up front now. .. It's so much more flexible and resilient than just relying on the old 433 when if one cog was missing or the opponents had a game plan we looked bereft of ideas and the wheels came off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Nitpicking taken to an extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 8 hours ago, lioncoeur said: That's exactly why David Nugent is playing and Chris Martin is not playing at the moment. David Nugent is always playing in the function of the team. Nugent is playing because he chases about and runs the channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 8 hours ago, lioncoeur said: He is lazy bagger, that's how I am seeing him. Oh dear another blinkered supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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