G STAR RAM Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Oh err yeah, he doesn't actually call any of them rats, silly me. Its a cliché - and was used as a counterpoint to leaving for 'a new challenge'. Which Rowett said Hughes was doing but also mentioned he wanted players to be committed, implying he wasn't sure about Hughes. I would say there is a clear distinction between a rat deserting a sinking ship and a player leaving to try and improve their career. Tyrone Mears was a rat. Will Hughes leaves with his head held high and with genuine thanks and good luck from the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I took the fact that he stated the players had being doing their fitness stuff, even more then required by some, to be committed. I don't really like the interview, but I can't read too much into it. It's sterile PR guff that means nothing. I'd wager that you could find similar sentiments pre season at any club under any manager. The gps watches are a bit disconcerting though. I love how he specifies it's not a big brother thing. Not a big brother thing, we just want to monitor where you are 24 hours a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Anon said: The gps watches are a bit disconcerting though. I love how he specifies it's not a big brother thing. Not a big brother thing, we just want to monitor where you are 24 hours a day. So they know where the players are 24 hours, 7 days a week? I suppose they have to trust them to not take them off, or are they allowed to other than 9-5?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: So they know where the players are 24 hours, 7 days a week? I suppose they have to trust them to not take them off, or are they allowed to other than 9-5?! I don't know. It's the first I've heard of them to be honest. If I was a player, I'd just hire someone to wear it and spend all day in the gym whilst I did a tour of the local fast food joints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anon said: I don't know. It's the first I've heard of them to be honest. If I was a player, I'd just hire someone to wear it and spend all day in the gym whilst I did a tour of the local fast food joints. Rat! I wonder how accurate they are? Oops you didn't really need those extra 50 laps, the software is a bit dodgy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 The GPS watches are to monitor their running and fitness programmes that they have been individually given so they don't come back unfit. Don't think the players have been ankle tagged and to make sure they are in bed by 8pm, plenty of pics with Anya in the US not wearing his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyWanKenobi Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I work for company X. If company Y want to increase my wage by a significant amount, I'm gone. That's fair enough in any industry. I wouldn't consider it desertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, TobyWanKenobi said: I work for company X. If company Y want to increase my wage by a significant amount, I'm gone. That's fair enough in any industry. I wouldn't consider it desertion. What if company Y are offering the same money but you don't like your boss at company X? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Not getting regular starts Not in managers plans Team being set up in ways which won't suit your game Chance to play at a higher level Chance to earn more money I think "new challenge" is little more than a pleasant way of saying "glad I'm gone" without annoying your old club and covers all manner of reasons for actually leaving. To be honest, I don't buy the rats argument and "anew challenge" is being put about by the management as well "some of the players who've been here a while need anew challenge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said: To be honest, I don't buy the rats argument and "anew challenge" is being put about by the management as well "some of the players who've been here a while need a new challenge" I agree. I think Will would have stayed if the manager was Mac. It'll be interesting to see who else leaves and whether its for a 'new challenge' or just 'so long and thanks for all the fish'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyWanKenobi Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What if company Y are offering the same money but you don't like your boss at company X? That's also pretty reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, TobyWanKenobi said: That's also pretty reasonable. And you've been giving your all for the business haven't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyWanKenobi Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 23 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: And you've been giving your all for the business haven't you? Sure. I like to think I'm actually pretty good at my job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, TobyWanKenobi said: Sure. I like to think I'm actually pretty good at my job. Lol. But check out all those boos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Yawn. Some players turn down moves others can't wait to go. Like chris martin last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 48 minutes ago, Simsy said: Like chris martin last season? Yeah! Rat or new challenge this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I know this is internet forum and about Derby County but even then "rats or new challenge" is bit too black n' white for my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minesahartington Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 4 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Double yawn. Thinking about it I reckon Vydra would be a rat, not sure (shock) about Blackman. Blackman would be a Limpet. One of those i could never shift when i was in Ifracombe as a kid. You need to creep up on them dead fast to move em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 32 minutes ago, Dimmu said: I know this is internet forum and about Derby County but even then "rats or new challenge" is bit too black n' white for my liking. Okay. Committed or not committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 RATS SMATS Lets slot the players into 3 groups first team players play regularly on a good wage but most would move on to play at a higher level fringe players players who are prepared to fight for a place in the first team squad and happy to do so last players with a burning desire to just play regular football and are prepared to do anything to have that chance therse are the ones you refer to as rats completely the wrong way to describe them also in this group are players the managers as given up on and in some cases so have the fans then in this case best thing to do is to move them on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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