one_chop Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 RIP Dalian, let's hope the BLM mob don't hijack this tragedy as a further excuse to cause disruption and to go 'shopping' for Nike Trainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 1 hour ago, SaintRam said: Tasers are dangerous. But their efficiency and rate of success in terms of non-lethally bringing down a threat far outweigh the concern of their potential lethality. I heard rumours that he was kicked by the police as well. Whether that is true and whether that was what killed him rather than the taser I hope we find out. Also why this incident ever happened is still a mystery. Has big Ron Atkinson ( no relation) made any comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Very sad, sounds like he was suffering from mental health problems and they've been called to deal with him. Sad end to a life but police have got to be able to defend themselves. As for tasers, until someone designs a better alternative and it gets passed for use, police need them. I'd be very surprised if anything comes of this as the officer will probably be able to justify it. RIP Dalian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 44 minutes ago, PistoldPete2 said: I heard rumours that he was kicked by the police as well. Whether that is true and whether that was what killed him rather than the taser I hope we find out. Also why this incident ever happened is still a mystery. Has big Ron Atkinson ( no relation) made any comment? The kicking was reported as a quote from a witness. A witness, who lives in a nearby flat and relayed all this information... and incredibly detailed portrayal of what went on, based on hearing it. I'm not saying this wasn't a case of police brutality, but the only "witness" we have "heard" the police kicking him and then one backed off while the other continued to kick him and the one with the taser re-activated it 3, 4 or 5 times? That's a lot of detail to hear. Unless it's just been written poorly by the journos relaying it, that's the way its come across. If it is a case of "over zealous" policing a la what we've seen in the states in recent times, then jail the officer(s) responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 I wonder why CS gas wasn't used, that should've been enough for 2 coppers to then cuff him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 12 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: I wonder why CS gas wasn't used, that should've been enough for 2 coppers to then cuff him. CS gas would be a bit extreme! Why not get the water cannon out too? How big is this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: CS gas would be a bit extreme! Why not get the water cannon out too? How big is this guy? A bit extreme? Are you serious! The bloke is ******* dead! How extreme is CS Gas in comparison to death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 19 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: I wonder why CS gas wasn't used, that should've been enough for 2 coppers to then cuff him. Don't think it works on everyone. CS has far less range than taser, the closer somebody is the higher the risk. It can also make people a lot more violent and lash out. Also they can't taser somebody after CS as they'd go up in flames. Up to them to justify using it over or before any thing else. Tricky one, I'm sure it'll all come out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: How often could you say that in England? I never met a single black guy in England who didn't wear gold, loved gangster music and who didn't enjoy a good scrap. Did you type this sentence with a straight face? Fair play if it's satire, but if it's not...oh my god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 8 hours ago, Duracell said: Did you type this sentence with a straight face? Fair play if it's satire, but if it's not...oh my god What? I never met a white guy that didn't wear skinny jeans, loved indie rock and avoided fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 10 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: A bit extreme? Are you serious! The bloke is ******* dead! How extreme is CS Gas in comparison to death? Tasering isn't all that extreme. You have to be quite unlucky, have some health problems in specific places etc. to suffer seriously from it. Unless of course the police officer did re-activate it 4 or 5 times, which I don't think you're allowed to do, unless someone's like a comic book villain and about to tear you in half through the tasering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 15 hours ago, sage said: There are some historical and sociological reasons for this linked to empire and different approaches to the slave trade. it would take 3000 words to explain it all. 3000 words on the slave trade, gosh that brings back some memories. I've probably still got a whole essay on that somewhere on my old computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 17 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Tasering isn't all that extreme. You have to be quite unlucky, have some health problems in specific places etc. to suffer seriously from it. Unless of course the police officer did re-activate it 4 or 5 times, which I don't think you're allowed to do, unless someone's like a comic book villain and about to tear you in half through the tasering. if it's true the voltage is so high, I'd say it's pretty extreme. Considering they don't give you a questionnaire regarding health before firing it at you. If you punch someone with a brain condition and they die, you still get done for murder, regardless of whether or not you knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: if it's true the voltage is so high, I'd say it's pretty extreme. Considering they don't give you a questionnaire regarding health before firing it at you. If you punch someone with a brain condition and they die, you still get done for murder, regardless of whether or not you knew. That doesn't necessarily make the punch an extreme measure. An unfortunately extreme result, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AucklandRam Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/dalian-atkinson-eyewitness-claims-when-he-was-down-police-kept-on-tasering-him-34966816.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Great player back in the day. His goal against Wimbledon was one of the best I've ever seen. I always felt he was a bit underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 On 15 August 2016 at 22:42, Mostyn6 said: A bit extreme? Are you serious! The bloke is ******* dead! How extreme is CS Gas in comparison to death? I was just being a bit funny, and pedantic. CS gas is the stuff they fire into crowds, hence a bit extreme for one guy. CS spray is probably what you're thinking of. Mind you, cs gas has varying results. I've been in a gas chamber with it, and smiled. But I am double hard, I'd probably take a tazer and fasten it to my nipples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: I was just being a bit funny, and pedantic. CS gas is the stuff they fire into crowds, hence a bit extreme for one guy. CS spray is probably what you're thinking of. Mind you, cs gas has varying results. I've been in a gas chamber with it, and smiled. But I am double hard, I'd probably take a tazer and fasten it to my nipples. I didn't know the technical term, the stuff they have in a can (Mace) and spray to make you blind and puke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennington Ram Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Poor guy. I don't want to rush to judgment as it's clearly complex and the scene sounds pretty intense. Realistically, I have no idea if using the taser more than once was something the situation required. That said, I hope there is a proper investigation. We are not the US, but when people have died either during or after arrest while in policy custody, there's been some pretty whitewashed reports in the aftermath previously that seem to be omitting key facts or just mysteriously finding no blame etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, TigerTedd said: I was just being a bit funny, and pedantic. CS gas is the stuff they fire into crowds, hence a bit extreme for one guy. CS spray is probably what you're thinking of. Mind you, cs gas has varying results. I've been in a gas chamber with it, and smiled. But I am double hard, I'd probably take a tazer and fasten it to my nipples. Done CS gas too many times and I for one do not like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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