RoyMac5 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, Saturn5 said: Off topic - i run an Under 12s team and we play great football, never won anything but the Lads develop and enjoy it - other teams have this attitude and there are tears and tantrums so i suppose its all about vision and philosiphy They're kids though. Plus I would have wanted to win even at U12. I never said you couldn't have both btw - you assumed that. But the current squad don't/didn't have both and neither did Clough's teams. I'm now fed up with being also-rans, nearly men. It wears a bit thin - ask Arsenal fans, lol. I want us to win and get promoted I want to see us in the Prem. I think NP can take us up, after that is another matter - and again there isn't only one way to stay up. #COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: See you get the point - winning at all costs - it's a game it's about winning. Losers can commiserate and say they played well and looked pretty, but winners get the spoils! I didn't realise you were financially invested in the club. What, exactly, will you get from your season ticket outlay if you haven't been entertained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Just now, Anon said: I didn't realise you were financially invested in the club. What, exactly, will you get from your season ticket outlay if you haven't been entertained? To see us win. To succeed, I can watch Sky if watching pretty football is the be all of it. I want to see Derby win. I loved the late 60s-70s era. And the Bald Eagle and Billy D. Yes I always support The Rams but I want to see us win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn5 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I'm now fed up with being also-rans, nearly men. It wears a bit thin - ask Arsenal fans, lol. I want us to win and get promoted I want to see us in the Prem. I think NP can take us up, after that is another matter - and again there isn't only one way to stay up. #COYR Take it your a NEW Fan then I have watched the Rams in Divison 3 away at Newport and i stick to what i said you can have both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Would be nice to hear Mel's reasonings for ending "The Derby Way" philosophy of nice football with a coach, with the appointment of NP and his history of kick and rush football being completely against everything he stood for last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, philmycock said: Would be nice to hear Mel's reasonings for ending "The Derby Way" philosophy of nice football with a coach, with the appointment of NP and his history of kick and rush football being completely against everything he stood for last summer. Everything he stood for earlier in the year you mean... It hasn't even been a full year since he sacked Clement and quoted The Derby Way as part of the reasoning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFCArmy Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 58 minutes ago, Saturn5 said: Ok so i have never liked Pearson and didn't want him anywhere near my club he plays ugly kick and rush pub team football akin to Mick Mcarthey at Ipswich players like Hughes and Butterfield will stuggle to command a 1st team place as they are not as Physical and workman like which is needed under NP Martin has no Pace and is ineffective if we are getting the ball long into the channels at every opportunity Christie isn't the best defensive Fullback and neither is Fozzy or olson to a lesser degree This is why you are seeing the above on the bench or being rummoured to be replaced Pearson Requires the following Big physical Centre halves (Morgan & Huth), Defenders foremost at Fullback Workers and blockers in Midfield Quick Outlets upfront and on the wing ( Vardy, Schulp) ** Before the "Leicester won the Premier League with Pearsons Team" crew turn up - Ask their fans Vardy, Marhez were average at best under him, Morgan was poor untill Huth came in and Kante never played under him PLUS Steve Walsh identified players not NP hence why Everton paid so much compensation for him - i am unfortunate in working in Barrow upon Soar with loads of Bin Dippers and even they say the football under him was woeful Basically the Derby Way is dead and we have sold our soul for the Premier League dream Love it or hate it the era is over and we will be watching poor but probably effective football that in two or three years may well get us promoted you can boo him and/or the players but nothing is changing quickly - i will still go and support the team and continue to do so but i am not feeling the love If we have "FAILED" over the past 3 seasons playing exciting attractive football then what did we do under clough for even longer ? We are clearly stuck with him so sit back, Cringe and remenise of when we played like Barcelona but ultimately FAILED Our "Barcelona" football got us nowhere though.. Burnley have gone up, come down and gone back up again whilst we've been messing about trying to compensate the 433 without Thorne. Burnley have pocketed 200m in that time having spent about 30m, ultimately they will come back down, but have a solid foundation and parachute cash as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 He needs time to build his own team. He hasn't signed 1 player yet. He needs to get his own players in that suits his style of football and his mentality. He can only do so much with these players and after these 3 games I'm seriously doubting their mental strength when the going gets tough. His Leic team was frightening in this league and won it by a country mile, it's also 90% HIS team that has won the prem!. He needs a season but a lot of "experts" on here just won't get off his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satty atwal Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Right after that debacle on saturday i think im now ready to give my thoughts on the current situation. Np for me has 2 options Option 1. Revert back to the 3 man midfield with 2 out wide and a focal point up top. Tried and trusted formation which has seen us go very close in the last 3 years but were missing "bottle" np seems to be a good motivator and he can add that missing ingredient and put the players in positions and in a formation that they are comfortable in and used to. Option 2. Stick with this 4411 formation of his but then get rid of the majority of these players as they cannot play this formation, we havent got an out and out winger apart from russell and camara obv but whom we havent seen. Hendrick bryson wouls have to go as they cannot play in a 2, butterfield might be able to, thorne likewise, hughes survives as he could play in the 1 behind the striker, johnson can but his days look numbered, also surplus would be blackman and bent, then bring in actual fast pacey wingers and central midfielders that can play in a 2, gunarsson jedinak etc, this however would be a lengthly process of 1-2 years. Personal opinion I would go with option 1, and add to what is a very good stylish successful formation that all the players can play. However, im concerned that np will go with option 2, and totally get rid of what we have had and built in the last 3 years, and risk going from nearly men who with bit of luck could have been in the prem now, to a brand new team, formation, squad, which might not be as pleasing on the eye as previously, also risk if that doesn't work having to start back AGAIN from square one, with a team that came so close being totally destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 8 minutes ago, DCFCArmy said: Our "Barcelona" football got us nowhere though.. Burnley have gone up, come down and gone back up again whilst we've been messing about trying to compensate the 433 without Thorne. Burnley have pocketed 200m in that time having spent about 30m, ultimately they will come back down, but have a solid foundation and parachute cash as well. What is there great plan then, I want DCFC to be a stable PL club not yoyo, something will give with Burnely soon if Dyche goes they are in trouble IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, DCFCArmy said: Our "Barcelona" football got us nowhere though.. Burnley have gone up, come down and gone back up again whilst we've been messing about trying to compensate the 433 without Thorne. Burnley have pocketed 200m in that time having spent about 30m, ultimately they will come back down, but have a solid foundation and parachute cash as well. That's the debate we're having though isn't it... What's more important to people... Winning at all costs? Or winning whilst playing nice football? Personally I advocate the second... I would rather not be the yo-yo team that Burnley are... Mostly the teams who have played the 'effective' style of football have either got relegated or barely survived their first season... QPR, Norwich, Burnley, Reading, Cardiff... Whereas it's tended to be the more exciting attacking teams who have done okay... Swansea, Southampton, Bournemouth, Watford, Palace, West Ham... Not all the same style of play... Some tippy tappy like we've done and some a more speed and power... But all played expansive attacking styles... This is what I think Uncle Mel was referring to with 'The Derby Way' and why I worry about Pearson... As his Leicester team were an efficient 'defence first' type of team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn5 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: His Leic team was frightening in this league and won it by a country mile, it's also 90% HIS team that has won the prem!. Lets see how they get on this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Saturn5 said: Lets see how they get on this season What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Physiotherapists in the Derby area will be earning a fortune over the next couple of days with the amount of jerked knee injuries sustained so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Just now, RoyMac5 said: What? I'd image his argument is that it is still very much "the team that Pearson built", but they won't even come close to emulating their performance of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn5 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 It was 100% of his team that narrowly escaped relegation and well done to him Leicester will struggle this season and be found out But who gives a **** about who has done what and where and When i care about Derby and where they are now and where the are going and thats not a pretty place - thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 DCFC are not Leicester though, people take the fact he did well there means he will here he might but not a given yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 11 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: He needs time to build his own team. He hasn't signed 1 player yet. He needs to get his own players in that suits his style of football and his mentality. He can only do so much with these players and after these 3 games I'm seriously doubting their mental strength when the going gets tough. His Leic team was frightening in this league and won it by a country mile, it's also 90% HIS team that has won the prem!. He needs a season but a lot of "experts" on here just won't get off his back. The team under him barely survived - The same players under someone else won the league The team we had under Nigel Clough was mid table - McClaren took the same basic team into the top 3 If the same group of players does badly with one manager and well with another is that the players? Or the manager? 1 minute ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: Physiotherapists in the Derby area will be earning a fortune over the next couple of days with the amount of jerked knee injuries sustained so far. As stated already... I've had this opinion since May... In fact since long before that... Since I ever saw Pearson as a manager anywhere... No knee jerking involved don't you worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn5 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Happily check my Posts on the Next Manager Threads i think you will find i have been consistant (and Correct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irobinson Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Well whats he waiting for, NP? eh? - been here 10 weeks! His post match interview went on about the fitness of some players - what the hell we been doing for last ten weeks - thats his job - to get them fit, motivated and playing!! Transfer fees are going up and up every day - as the clock ticks in this window - Bolasie for £25mil today - Crystal Palace chairman must be laffing his cock off at that.... Needs to get shut on our car crash signings.....and who is not in his plans Needs a new striker with pace and Razza in the team..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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