Dubiousmagoo Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 One of the major areas of criticism, and in fairness there are more than a few, of Newcastle has been based around their transfer policy. The logic behind buying in younger players developing them and then selling them on for a profit makes a lot of business sense. It got me thinking, a lot of what Mel Morris has talked about is the importance of developing players and looking to add value to them. Hence the heavy investment in the facilities at the farm. Are their lessons which need to be learned from Newcastle? Really how many Will Hughes are we able to help nurture. If we get promoted when are we going to give these guys coming through the academy chances to play in the first team. The premier league by its very nature is quintessentially short termist. I think the derby way only works if we stay as a championship team who win more games than then lose. Perhaps not such a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Newcastle just didn't get a good balance, in both ability and mentality. Not sure we are the same in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Dubiousmagoo said: One of the major areas of criticism, and in fairness there are more than a few, of Newcastle has been based around their transfer policy. The logic behind buying in younger players developing them and then selling them on for a profit makes a lot of business sense. It got me thinking, a lot of what Mel Morris has talked about is the importance of developing players and looking to add value to them. Hence the heavy investment in the facilities at the farm. Are their lessons which need to be learned from Newcastle? Really how many Will Hughes are we able to help nurture. If we get promoted when are we going to give these guys coming through the academy chances to play in the first team. The premier league by its very nature is quintessentially short termist. I think the derby way only works if we stay as a championship team who win more games than then lose. Perhaps not such a bad thing? Beauty of being in PL is that you can loan your promising players to Championship to develop. So what is our maximum level at the moment, would be just a stepping stone towards the future for the youngsters. Maybe biggest reason I want us to get promoted! (and of course, seeing Bucko in PL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Newcastle is a circus from chairman to fans. So much so that even Keegan was spouting in the media this week about the mistakes that have been made. Oh no, not his mistakes. Just hilarious! If Newcastle go down, I'd love it, just love it. Oh, hang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 38 minutes ago, Dubiousmagoo said: One of the major areas of criticism, and in fairness there are more than a few, of Newcastle has been based around their transfer policy. The logic behind buying in younger players developing them and then selling them on for a profit makes a lot of business sense. It got me thinking, a lot of what Mel Morris has talked about is the importance of developing players and looking to add value to them. Hence the heavy investment in the facilities at the farm. Are their lessons which need to be learned from Newcastle? Really how many Will Hughes are we able to help nurture. If we get promoted when are we going to give these guys coming through the academy chances to play in the first team. The premier league by its very nature is quintessentially short termist. I think the derby way only works if we stay as a championship team who win more games than then lose. Perhaps not such a bad thing? I don't know how we found Will, but with the so-called big clubs already haven't massive entrenched youth programs I wonder whether we will be feeding off relative scraps. Didn't chelski have something ludicrous like 45 youth players out on loan? And still win the Youth FA cup...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Just now, HantsRam said: I don't know how we found Will, but with the so-called big clubs already haven't massive entrenched youth programs I wonder whether we will be feeding off relative scraps. Didn't chelski have something ludicrous like 45 youth players out on loan? And still win the Youth FA cup...... We found Will at Repton, I believe. Or maybe it was a scout watching Mickleover Jubilee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 1 minute ago, SaintRam said: We found Will at Repton, I believe. Or maybe it was a scout watching Mickleover Jubilee. So thats suggestive of a fairly localised scouting policy, which is fine but probably limiting. Can we extend our brand reach beyond the shire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, HantsRam said: I don't know how we found Will, but with the so-called big clubs already haven't massive entrenched youth programs I wonder whether we will be feeding off relative scraps. Didn't chelski have something ludicrous like 45 youth players out on loan? And still win the Youth FA cup...... When recruiting players into the academy, Derby have so much to offer in terms of set up and a history of giving young players a chance. I think that as a club whether in the Championship or Premier League, we can compete with the majority of the Premier league for young players. Much depends on advice they receive from parents of course. I certainly don't think we will be feeding off scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 1 minute ago, HantsRam said: So thats suggestive of a fairly localised scouting policy, which is fine but probably limiting. Can we extend our brand reach beyond the shire? We signed Timi Max Elsnik (my favourite player in our youth system) from NK Aluminij in Slovenia. Tom Koblenz from Hoffenheim II, Ivan Calero from Atletico Madrid B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Mostyn's right, Newcastle just managed it badly and got it wrong. Its probably stems from the owner. "That Player from French L2 made us x pounds, do that every time" the way business can tend to be self defeating if its not given proper oversight. But, you know, the businessman who cut down the last tree on Easter island went to his grave thinking "I had a great return on capital employed in that deal, and that's what matters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t'oldu Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Didn't Astley send their promising young players up to Rangers to bolster their squad ? Presume they came back?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 1 hour ago, SaintRam said: We found Will at Repton, I believe. Or maybe it was a scout watching Mickleover Jubilee. He was in the Forest academy first off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Just now, curtains said: He was in the Forest academy first off. Ey? No he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Ey? No he wasn't. With respect he was but I'm doubting it now. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Hughes#Early_years Didnt realize he went to my old junior school St Peters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Whats any of this got to do with Rick Astley? Please keep on topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, curtains said: With respect he was. The only evidence I can find of that is the Daily Mail saying it in an article, where they said he moved from Forest to us at 12... and I don't think he joined us at 12. Pretty sure he joined us when he was 15. Can you find me non daily mail evidence of that? Think they're confusing him with someone else, or just straight talking out of their arses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, SaintRam said: The only evidence I can find of that is the Daily Mail saying it in an article, where they said he moved from Forest to us at 12... and I don't think he joined us at 12. Pretty sure he joined us when he was 15. Can you find me non daily mail evidence of that? Think they're confusing him with someone else, or just straight talking out of their arses. Mate I just seem to remember he was at Forest first but I'm not 100 percent on this . i think the Mail are right though Huddlestone was the same I think. Its all a bit irrelevant really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Just now, curtains said: Mate I just seem to remember he was at Forest first but I'm not 100 percent on this . Huddlestone was the same I think. Yeah, I don't think he was. Not your fault if the Daily Mail published it but I'm pretty sure they got confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, curtains said: Mate I just seem to remember he was at Forest first but I'm not 100 percent on this . Huddlestone was the same I think. no mention of forest in wikipedia curtains. Straight from Jubilee to County according to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.