Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: Academy products in the "matchday" squad this season: Grant Hughes Hendrick Hanson Guy (not yet got on) Elsnick (not yet got on) Mitchell I don't think Rawson/Bennett/Calero have this year but may be mistaken. Lowe would have been in the team if it weren't for his injury. Think @curtainsis mistaken about Will and this is a myth pedalled by the gumps. Of course he will have checked out the gumps academy at one point and so may have played a couple of games for them, but I'm pretty sure he's denied being formally attached. And he joined us aged 12. Mitchell signed by McClaren from Newcastle Academy. Grant has been all over including Burnley and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 20 minutes ago, curtains said: Paul Jewell snapped up Hendrick from Ireland. He was already a great prospect before he arrived. Can you guess what part of the Derby set up he entered into upon his arrival from Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, Anon said: Can you guess what part of the Derby set up he entered into upon his arrival from Ireland? Yes But all teams develop player prospects further . It's no big deal . Lee Carsley and Craig Ramage and Paul Wiiliams all played for Derby reserves when we didn't have academies They did very well right. Phill Gee was another and remember Roger Davies and Jeff Bourne and the great Steve Powell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Just now, curtains said: Yes Good. Then you'll know why it's important to maintain a high quality academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, Anon said: Good. Then you'll know why it's important to maintain a high quality academy. Selective quoting . Quote all my reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, curtains said: Selective quoting . Quote all my reply When I first read your reply "Yes" is all that was there. In response to the rest of your post, football has moved on, for the better. If we brought a young player over and failed to offer proper training facilities, no accommodation, no education they would elect to go somewhere else. The days of shoving 16 your old kids into digs and letting them get on with it are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Anon said: When I first read your reply "Yes" is all that was there. In response to the rest of your post, football has moved on, for the better. If we brought a young player over and failed to offer proper training facilities, no accommodation, no education they would elect to go somewhere else. The days of shoving 16 your old kids into digs and letting them get on with it are gone. Good reply. Thanks. They have it all these days. Hope we reap the rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 49 minutes ago, curtains said: Mitchell signed by McClaren from Newcastle Academy. Grant has been all over including Burnley and back. Signing from one academy to another academy doesn't effect their status as an academy product. Very few players go with one club from 10 til pro. All of our foreign youngsters will be a product of our academy when they break through, but they've still been signed from other academies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Signing from one academy to another academy doesn't effect their status as an academy product. Very few players go with one club from 10 til pro. All of our foreign youngsters will be a product of our academy when they break through, but they've still been signed from other academies Fair enough but did we pay a fee for Mitchell because I think they might of released him and Eric Steele snapped him up. I don't see how Newcastle made anything on this ! If we paid a fee I can see gain for Newcastle in bringing him through. Grant had to leave Derby due to lack of first team chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Just now, curtains said: Fair enough but did we pay a fee for Mitchell because I think they might of released him and Eric Steele snapped him up. Grant had to leave Derby due to lack of first team chances. Yeah, but became a pro via our academy so is still our product. He's just an old one now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Yeah, but became a pro via our academy so is still our product. He's just an old one now. Don't think Burnley paid anything for Grant . Anyhow Grant is a success story . Did Clough buy him back off Burnley or was he a free out of contract Bosman signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 1 minute ago, curtains said: Don't think Burnley paid anything for Grant . Anyhow Grant is a success story . Did Clough buy him back off Burnley or washe a free out of contract signing He was free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, SaintRam said: He was free. Apart from wages etc Do you know how EPPP effects Derbys Academy and is it beneficial to us . I think Derbys Academy is up for review after 2 years academy 1 status anytime soon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_Player_Performance_Plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 3 hours ago, curtains said: Mitchell signed by McClaren from Newcastle Academy. Grant has been all over including Burnley and back. You can't not count Grant as a product of our academy. Yes he went away, but I would imagine one of the reasons he came back was his deep roots with the club. Mitchell's a case of when does a player count as a signing or an academy product? Someone like Calero came age 19 and played first team football fairly soon after. But is now a key part of our U21s. Elsnick only arrived last year and I think is only 17 yet has been on the bench. Is that academy progress or was he another transfer in? Mitchell has played a significant number of U21 games for Derby. He's as much our academy product as the others. While we work to improve the standard, decent older youngsters are ineitably going to be coming into the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Carl Sagan said: You can't not count Grant as a product of our academy. Yes he went away, but I would imagine one of the reasons he came back was his deep roots with the club. Mitchell's a case of when does a player count as a signing or an academy product? Someone like Calero came age 19 and played first team football fairly soon after. But is now a key part of our U21s. Elsnick only arrived last year and I think is only 17 yet has been on the bench. Is that academy progress or was he another transfer in? Mitchell has played a significant number of U21 games for Derby. He's as much our academy product as the others. While we work to improve the standard, decent older youngsters are ineitably going to be coming into the club. That's fair and a good post . Luke Thomas from Cheltenham I would class as coming into Derbys academy and I hope really is going to be a big player for us and will I would imagine be classed as a Derby academy product . http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Teenage-signing-Luke-Thomas/story-28584545-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Newcastle Chronicle gave the impression that only Townsend and Shelvey were Schteeve signings. If true, then bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Academy products in the "matchday" squad this season: Grant Hughes Hendrick Hanson Guy (not yet got on) Elsnick (not yet got on) Mitchell I don't think Rawson/Bennett/Calero have this year but may be mistaken. Lowe would have been in the team if it weren't for his injury. Think @curtainsis mistaken about Will and this is a myth pedalled by the gumps. Of course he will have checked out the gumps academy at one point and so may have played a couple of games for them, but I'm pretty sure he's denied being formally attached. And he joined us aged 12. Must have joined us earlier than that. He's barely 13 now. I'm sure he had his debut when he was a sperm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 In the broadest sense, an Academy product is a signing who starts for us in a team other than the First team squad and then progresses to the First team squad and then plays a game for the first team, even as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 9 hours ago, SaintRam said: We found Will at Repton, I believe. Or maybe it was a scout watching Mickleover Jubilee. I was playing in the mickleover jubilee in the age above. He can't possibly have been spotted there or you'd all have me on the back of your shirts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 On 12 May 2016 at 11:42, SaintRam said: Yeah, I don't think he was. Not your fault if the Daily Mail published it but I'm pretty sure they got confused. Not read the rest of the thread, so could have been answered, but he was definitely at Forest, there's a squad photo of their under 10's knocking about somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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