Animal is a Ram Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You need to get them more pissed first Nah, far easier sober. That way they see how bad I am first, rather than realising in the morning.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaave Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 As a man are you even capable of having sex if you are at the point where you won't remember much in the morning? I struggle to keep it up after around 7 pints! after that trying to stuff a flop on in there ends up being boring and off to sleep I go And if you're not and she is that pissed then come on, shouldn't really be going there But this is the problem. How do you know if she is that pissed? If it's a case of that pissed being on the verge of passing out then OK, but if it's not then how should you judge? It seems like you've attempted to have sex in an intoxicated state before, was the fine lady you were with in a similar state? If so does it not concern you that if you had had 2 pints less and managed to perform, any consent she may have given at the time would potentially be irrelevant in the eyes of the law? This grey area is a concern, surely you can see why it leads to some rapes being trivialised by sectors of the population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaave Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 On self-control, of course it's to be applauded and I like to think I can apply it well, but realistically it's not going to be a workable solution for all cases when alcohol is involved on both sides. Not saying I have a solution either, I wouldn't want to completely change the law as it does clearly need to protect people when they are in a position of weakness/unsound mind through intoxication. It just doesn't quite sit right with me at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You need to check the definition of rape in English law. The Sexual Offences Act 2003 defines it thus: Rape (1)A person (A) commits an offence if Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 So use your own judgement. If in doubt, don't do it. Go home. Is that so hard to do? And doing the deed with someone you've only just met is a definate no- no for me anyway. Well yes ladyram but I dont think we can apply our own moral values here. The lady concerned was doing the deed with someone she had just met , but any moral judgements about that would result in "so you're saying she was asking for it !!!" and all that malarkey. However immoral we may find these goings on, it is a question of the law and how it is applied. Andy in Liverpool has very thoroughly described the law, but it still leaves very grey areas. How do you guage whether someone is too p1ssed to consent I dont know. No cant mean yes, but when does yes mean no? If in doubt dont get it out? Well maybe. But young people out on the pull are not going to show restraint especially if theve had a skinful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Men can't be raped then? I thought it was just a myth that the law defined it in this way... Interesting, although as I read it a man cannot be raped by a woman but he can by another man. I suppose there must be some instances of a man having sex with a woman against his wishes although i think it must be vey rare. He must ,.......... how can I put........ show some willing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 But this is the problem. How do you know if she is that pissed? If it's a case of that pissed being on the verge of passing out then OK, but if it's not then how should you judge? It seems like you've attempted to have sex in an intoxicated state before, was the fine lady you were with in a similar state? If so does it not concern you that if you had had 2 pints less and managed to perform, any consent she may have given at the time would potentially be irrelevant in the eyes of the law? This grey area is a concern, surely you can see why it leads to some rapes being trivialised by sectors of the population? I'm fairly sure you can tell the difference between a woman that has had a few and tipsy or on the verge of passing out, walking in a straight line with heels on and not slurring compared to carrying her shoes swerving left to right on the pavement and slurring. And during sex you must tell, if she's just laid there eyes glazed over barely with it you shouldn't be on there, if she's switching positions freely, going down for blow jobs on her on accord then clearly theres a green light there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLACML Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I know a guy that was 'raped' by a woman. He had a girlfriend and went up to visit another friend at Uni. One of the other flatmates had been trying to get with him but he resisted. Anyways, he stayed on the couch and woke up to this girl riding him. At least, that's the way he told the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Interesting, although as I read it a man cannot be raped by a woman but he can by another man. I suppose there must be some instances of a man having sex with a woman against his wishes although i think it must be vey rare. He must ,.......... how can I put........ show some willing. But an erection isn't consent is it really? These damn trouser snakes have got a mind of their own sometimes! But then a woman could just as easily spike a man's drink with viagra couldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Even the FFL considers recruiting sex offenders depending on the circumstances. It's tricky, I'm sure it could have and possibly has happened to a lot of people on here... My view is he deserved two years just for going on the pull in Rhyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaave Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm fairly sure you can tell the difference between a woman that has had a few and tipsy or on the verge of passing out, walking in a straight line with heels on and not slurring compared to carrying her shoes swerving left to right on the pavement and slurring. And during sex you must tell, if she's just laid there eyes glazed over barely with it you shouldn't be on there, if she's switching positions freely, going down for blow jobs on her on accord then clearly theres a green light there. I've repeatedly said if someone is in that state then they're clearly too far gone, that's not my point. The point I'm making is that without the line being clearly defined, which is not really possible barring carrying a brethalyser as I mentioned earlier, you cannot be completely sure whether or not someone is beyond the point of legal consent. I've had nights where I don't remember a thing in the morning but my friends thought I was just a bit merry, not completely rat arsed drunk. So, as you so wonderfully put it, in that case (if I happened to be female) I could've been "switching positions freely, going down for blow jobs" on my own accord but legally any implied consent given by doing so would be irrelevant because actually I was completely smashed, despite outward appearance. Now, this could be where I'm misunderstanding the law and there's no way in a case such as that there'd be a conviction. You can bet, though, that if I don't understand this then a large amount of my demographic won't understand it either and that is a huge concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 A man can not be raped by a woman as you have to be penetrated by a penis. Even if she was to tie you up and frig you it would be sexual assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 But an erection isn't consent is it really? These damn trouser snakes have got a mind of their own sometimes! But then a woman could just as easily spike a man's drink with viagra couldn't they? Ah yes spiking with viagra could be the answer. Never happened to me thats all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Men can't be raped then? I thought it was just a myth that the law defined it in this way... I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion. By a woman I should clarify. Women are not capable of rape according to the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I've repeatedly said if someone is in that state then they're clearly too far gone, that's not my point. The point I'm making is that without the line being clearly defined, which is not really possible barring carrying a brethalyser as I mentioned earlier, you cannot be completely sure whether or not someone is beyond the point of legal consent. I've had nights where I don't remember a thing in the morning but my friends thought I was just a bit merry, not completely rat arsed drunk. So, as you so wonderfully put it, in that case (if I happened to be female) I could've been "switching positions freely, going down for blow jobs" on my own accord but legally any implied consent given by doing so would be irrelevant because actually I was completely smashed, despite outward appearance. Now, this could be where I'm misunderstanding the law and there's no way in a case such as that there'd be a conviction. You can bet, though, that if I don't understand this then a large amount of my demographic won't understand it either and that is a huge concern. It's not that difficult. If you are in a position to wonder where the line is, you should avoid having sex with that person. You know what, they might even respect you for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ah yes spiking with viagra could be the answer. Never happened to me thats all I can say. Not that you remember anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueLou Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 This all appears very one sided to me. I honestly don't think the responsibility for such an encounter lies just with the man. I have been ratted plenty of times, can't walk straight kind of drunk, but I have never, not ever found myself in the midst of a sexual encounter that I haven't been a party to, because if I ever felt I was too far gone, I'd go home. For a girl to get in a state where she's at the point of passing out and finds herself in this position, I ask myself how did she get to this point in the first place? Was she dragged kicking and screaming back to his place? Was she so drunk that she could no longer take responsibility for her actions, or make a sound decision on whether she wants to sleep with this man or not? And if so, who got her into that state? Did she have drink and drugs forced down her throat? For a lot of cases I hear about, and it pains me to say this about fellow females, there's a sense of entitlement that they can do whatever THEY want, get as off their face as THEY want to, then bleat about the outcome which is in no small part due to their massive absence of responsibility. And I struggle to find sympathy with this. If you're too pished go home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Not that you remember anyway He does, he's still scrubbing himself in the bath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKentRam Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I know a guy that was 'raped' by a woman. He had a girlfriend and went up to visit another friend at Uni. One of the other flatmates had been trying to get with him but he resisted. Anyways, he stayed on the couch and woke up to this girl riding him. At least, that's the way he told the story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtxK7wNUBPk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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