Bris Vegas Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 It was with me, Bris. I'll hold my hands up and say fair play to you. Well if we count the Charity Shield eddie you've already beaten me. Assuming Moyes survives until next season maybe he will change his philosophy. He has to change it, surely? I just can't understand what he's trying to do. Why buy Fellaini for 27.5m and never use him? Why buy Mata and continue to play with wide wingers? Why would anyone hoestly believe Fletcher, Giggs or Phil Jones would be a title-challenging central midfield partnership? Fergie left him a weak midfield granted - but with pots of cash and a whole summer to buy whoever he wanted Moyes didn't half faff around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Man Utd- drew with Fulham Sheff Utd- beat Fulham Conclusion anyone? Fulham are awful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Think it's time for another visit from our pal Occam's Razor; Man Utd - worse since Moyes took over Everton - better since Moyes left Conclusion........ People have been saying that for the last decade, Moyes had been trying and failing to get Everton ahead of United. Well, at least at the moment we can say 'mission accomplished'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Fulham are awful? Clough for United? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 United has a problem. Its the same problem they've had for a few years They're missing any quality in midfield Fergie papered over it by using Old Man Giggs (now he's too old to make a difference) and bringing Scholes out of retirement. Fergus couldn't find a midfield general good enough to keep it going, and neither has Moyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Well if we count the Charity Shield eddie you've already beaten me. Assuming Moyes survives until next season maybe he will change his philosophy. He has to change it, surely? I just can't understand what he's trying to do. Why buy Fellaini for 27.5m and never use him? Why buy Mata and continue to play with wide wingers? Why would anyone hoestly believe Fletcher, Giggs or Phil Jones would be a title-challenging central midfield partnership? Fergie left him a weak midfield granted - but with pots of cash and a whole summer to buy whoever he wanted Moyes didn't half faff around. I'm surprised that the Gump fans haven't started suggesting that they loan Fellaini for the run-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Moyes is a brilliant defensive manager make no mistake. You knew exactly what to expect from his Everton side and they gave the top teams such a hard game at Goodison Park. They nullified the likes of Swansea City and Wigan's passing games with ease. Moyes is one of the best 'percentage' managers that are around. He's a step-up from Allardyce and Pulis and you can guarantee if he was the Fulham manager they'd be nowhere near the bottom of the table. That said, his style just isn't cut out for a title challenger and IMO he will never make it at a club wanting to win trophies unless he completely changes his philosphy. It's criminal and for a club of United's status is absymal to watch his sides try and defend whilst playing the big clubs and crumbling at home to the smaller clubs. Man Utd's home performance against Sunderland demonstrated Moyes in a nutshell. Go 1-0 up and just allow the opposition all the possession and territory in the world. Sunderland deservedly went through as they were far the more attack minded team on the night, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Fellaini has been out injured for the majority of the season, and still is. Not that he'd make any difference anyway, Everton was his level and £27.5m is utterly ridiculous for a player who only ever does something memorable in 2 out of 10 games, and that's more often than not for being a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 It's criminal comical and for a club of United's status is abysmal hilarious to watch his sides try and defend whilst playing the big clubs and crumbling at home to the smaller clubs. Just a couple of minor improvements required to your fourth paragraph, Bris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Moyes is a brilliant defensive manager make no mistake. You knew exactly what to expect from his Everton side and they gave the top teams such a hard game at Goodison Park. They nullified the likes of Swansea City and Wigan's passing games with ease. Moyes is one of the best 'percentage' managers that are around. He's a step-up from Allardyce and Pulis and you can guarantee if he was the Fulham manager they'd be nowhere near the bottom of the table. That said, his style just isn't cut out for a title challenger and IMO he will never make it at a club wanting to win trophies unless he completely changes his philosphy. It's criminal and for a club of United's status is absymal to watch his sides try and defend whilst playing the big clubs and crumbling at home to the smaller clubs. Man Utd's home performance against Sunderland demonstrated Moyes in a nutshell. Go 1-0 up and just allow the opposition all the possession and territory in the world. Sunderland deservedly went through as they were far the more attack minded team on the night, Agree a lot of this. But for me, he is not a step up to Pulis! Best team he has managed is Stoke and he got them to Europe. Never been relegated and looks like he is going to save one übershite team again. And it's not criminal that club like ManU is abysmal to watch. I find it pleasing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Agree with Bris entirely. If you want a solid manager who plays the percentages well and you're happy to be the best percentage team then Moyes is a top candidate. He'll build a solid team that will always achieve at least what it's capable of. But Man United? He's got to break teams down. He's got to be smarter. They can't be 'solid' because they're supposed to be taking the game to other teams. They've got to achieve the maximum they're capable of. He's out his depth. Today was hilarious. You'd think Moyes was Fulham manager. Eating up crosses and absorbing pressure. Going from front to back quickly but taking minimal risks (hence they stayed deep because the game was in their hands). Moyes could do that and more for. Fulham every week. But today, Totally out of ideas. The skills of Mata and Rooney completely wasted. It's going to be a short and hard United career if he struggles to open teams up. If he struggles to beat the exact sort of sides he's built in the past. United are expected to destroy these teams. That's minimal expectation. He's never really been anything more than solid. Fergie jumped ship in time to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Agree a lot of this. But for me, he is not a step up to Pulis! Best team he has managed is Stoke and he got them to Europe. Never been relegated and looks like he is going to save one übershite team again. And it's not criminal that club like ManU is abysmal to watch. I find it pleasing... Yeah, I'd put Pulis up there too. Seems to get a great mentality going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 What £7 million buys you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Kinell even RVP has lost his mojo......two glaring misses thus far 0-0 19 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Fulham 1-1 Liverpool Newcastle 0-1 Spurs HT Arsenal 0-0 Manure HT Stoke 1-0 Swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 FT 1-1. 2 points dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Burnley now 1-1 ****ing ings. Keeps on scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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