TroyDyer Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 On the subject of next season, I personally have very little enthusiasm towards it. I think it will be more of the same. A poor manager whos stubborness and lack of a plan B will see us start reasonably well, before falling away when other teams figure us out. Zero creativity because Clough only wants workhorses in his side, and anyone that shows any creativity will wind up on the bench, then sold. I would like to think next season will be 'make or break' for Nigel, but that's been said for two seasons now, and we're still watching the same ****, and going nowhere. Just because we occasionally roll the odd team over at home, doesn't make up for woeful tactics and horribly negative away performances. And as for the conversations earlier about Nigel not having money. That's ridiculous. He has had money to spend, but with the odd exception, he has spent it poorly. 1.3m on a target man that doesn't, in 90 minutes, win more than 1 or 2 headers, has terrible touch, and has no composure in front of goal. Woeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 we seem to have stagnated, and always get the feeling that we are waiting for the 'right time' to make the push, to actually make the effort to gain promotion. I don't think we've even been close to trying and that in itself should have alarm bells ringing. If it's not in the manager and coaching staff's mentality to want to be a winner, I cannot see the team being winners under that regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 And as for the conversations earlier about Nigel not having money. That's ridiculous. He has had money to spend, but with the odd exception, he has spent it poorly. You're telling me, that Bryson, Keogh, Barker, Shackell, Ward, Jacobs, Brayford, Bailey, Coutts are all poor acquisitions? Not on your nelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelTheRam Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I just can't belive that anyone would think the manager, his staff and players don't want to win. Not being able to, or not knowing how to are totally different things - but not wanting to ???? For next season we need a slight improvement in home form and turn a few more draws into wins - but only 2 home league defeats so far isn't too shabby. And we need a reasonable improvement in away form - that's all that is really holding us back this season. Home games have been pretty good really, except for possibly Brighton and Wolves (missed that one so I'll have to take other people's word for it), plenty of goals scored so I'm not at all disappointed so far. If you look back at just a few matches there is a very fine line between where we are and the play-offs (yes, I know every team can say that, but I'm talking about us) - don't concede a late goal against Sheff Wed or Burnley, or an early goal at Huddersfield. That's 5 points and things quickly look a whole lot better. Even a slight deflection on Ward's free kick on Saturday could have given us those 2 extra points to be level with Boro' (who have lost more than us away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourneyesterday Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I just can't belive that anyone would think the manager, his staff and players don't want to win. Not being able to, or not knowing how to are totally different things - but not wanting to ???? For next season we need a slight improvement in home form and turn a few more draws into wins - but only 2 home league defeats so far isn't too shabby. And we need a reasonable improvement in away form - that's all that is really holding us back this season. Home games have been pretty good really, except for possibly Brighton and Wolves (missed that one so I'll have to take other people's word for it), plenty of goals scored so I'm not at all disappointed so far. If you look back at just a few matches there is a very fine line between where we are and the play-offs (yes, I know every team can say that, but I'm talking about us) - don't concede a late goal against Sheff Wed or Burnley, or an early goal at Huddersfield. That's 5 points and things quickly look a whole lot better. Even a slight deflection on Ward's free kick on Saturday could have given us those 2 extra points to be level with Boro' (who have lost more than us away. So you would call playing 451 at home to a team that can't buy a win as wanting to win ?? And to say that that we need a reasonable improvement in away form is typical of the total complacency attached to our club at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I am pretty convinced there have been numerous occasions where no attempt whatsoever has been made to win the game, hence, they don't want to win! When you see clubs like Oldham doing what they're doing, in the four years under Nigel, when have we ever won against the odds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 So you would call playing 451 at home to a team that can't buy a win as wanting to win ?? And to say that that we need a reasonable improvement in away form is typical of the total complacency attached to our club at the moment. We played 4-4-2, couldn't score. If he didn't change it round, you probably would have been on this forum criticising 'One Plan Nigel - can't even change it round to beat a team who can't buy a win'. You've taken that tactical change completely out of context to suit your argument. I'm not a Clough lover (or hater), and I don't think the sun shines out of his a*rse, but don't pass on half truths as the whole thing to fit your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Asanovic, that's probably fair, but I would add that you should always pick the best tactics to suit your team, and you should have the right mentality to suit your tactics. I said in another thread that any attacking formation, whether 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 will fail if there are massive spaces in between the (most advanced) midfielder and the forward/striker. Not helped by an urgency by 9 outfield players to get behind the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Asanovic, that's probably fair, but I would add that you should always pick the best tactics to suit your team, and you should have the right mentality to suit your tactics. I said in another thread that any attacking formation, whether 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 will fail if there are massive spaces in between the (most advanced) midfielder and the forward/striker. Not helped by an urgency by 9 outfield players to get behind the ball. I'm not disagreeing with that - we need an offensive midfidler, I've said that for a long time. Just don't castigate the bloke for changing it round and making it sound like we were negative the whole game! We obviously had a go at the end and tried to win the game - if we didn't, how did the ball end up on the edge of the area for Ward's free kick? Don't really agree with the 9 men behind the ball stuff but I respect your opinion - I just don't see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Don't really agree with the 9 men behind the ball stuff but I respect your opinion - I just don't see that happening. I bet you will now! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I bet you will now! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> I bet I don't 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 You're telling me, that Bryson, Keogh, Barker, Shackell, Ward, Jacobs, Brayford, Bailey, Coutts are all poor acquisitions? Not on your nelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 When did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I am pretty convinced there have been numerous occasions where no attempt whatsoever has been made to win the game, hence, they don't want to win! When you see clubs like Oldham doing what they're doing, in the four years under Nigel, when have we ever won against the odds? First of all, rubbish. Second, Oldham. The very same Oldham that are in the relegation zone of League One? Maybe they should concentrate on the league instead of the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Asanovic, that's probably fair, but I would add that you should always pick the best tactics to suit your team, and you should have the right mentality to suit your tactics. Damn right. Why would you set up a team, consisting of a 17 yr old ball playing midfielder, a 20 year old, and Bryson Ward and Coutts who all together weigh about 10 stone wet through, to battle it out fin midfield for a draw against an ex-prem side that has been built to do just that. Absolutely bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 On the subject of next season, I personally have very little enthusiasm towards it. I think it will be more of the same. A poor manager whos stubborness and lack of a plan B will see us start reasonably well, before falling away when other teams figure us out. Zero creativity because Clough only wants workhorses in his side, and anyone that shows any creativity will wind up on the bench, then sold. I would like to think next season will be 'make or break' for Nigel, but that's been said for two seasons now, and we're still watching the same ****, and going nowhere. Just because we occasionally roll the odd team over at home, doesn't make up for woeful tactics and horribly negative away performances. And as for the conversations earlier about Nigel not having money. That's ridiculous. He has had money to spend, but with the odd exception, he has spent it poorly. 1.3m on a target man that doesn't, in 90 minutes, win more than 1 or 2 headers, has the *, and has no composure in front of goal. Woeful. He has spent it poorly has he? Jamie Ward. John Brayford Gareth Roberts Craig Bryson Jake Buxton Richard Keogh Paul Coutts Theo Robinson Michael Jacobs Adam Legzdins There's just a few that he's picked up for very little. When you are dealing in the type of market Clough is, it is very difficult to find bargains. He has. For me he's doing a pretty good job and will have my full support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 First of all, rubbish. Second, Oldham. The very same Oldham that are in the relegation zone of League One? Maybe they should concentrate on the league instead of the cup. I asked the question "when did we win against the odds in four years?" Nothing about the league. This is about the manager's ability to motivate his team. Look at what effect Billy had on Notts Forest last night, he got them going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestLondonRam Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I asked the question "when did we win against the odds in four years?" Nothing about the league. This is about the manager's ability to motivate his team. Look at what effect Billy had on Notts Forest last night, he got them going! Go and support the Forest then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Exactly. Hence my "with the odd exception". A decent manager would have taken what hes spent in loan fees alone, and built a competitive, organised side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Go and support the Forest then.. What a typically moronic response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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