Ambitious
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6 minutes ago, GenBr said:
We've also got Whittaker who scored 18 and assisted 12 in 18/19 and Duncan who also scored 18 in the same year. I know Duncan is still building fitness, but Whittaker got 5 mins here and there and then we never see him again.
Yeah, you could well argue that Whittaker, Duncan, JHI and Stretton are the best bunch of strikers currently plying their trade at academy level. When you consider their records through the 18s and 23s for Derby: Whittaker - 43 goals in 74 games, Stretton - 36 goals in 57 games, JHI - 11 in 19 games and Bobby Duncan obviously hasn't played much as of yet, but had 25 goals in 39 games for Liverpool.
It's crazy that one of them hasn't been given the chance upfront, but we have gone away from the youth players more recently. Bogle and Lowe obviously sold. Bird and SIbley aren't getting in the starting XI which leaves Buchanan and Knight as the only ones consistently playing games. It's a shame and we actually look worse for it. The midfield play has dropped off massively since Bird and Sibley haven't been playing.
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3 minutes ago, Red_Dawn said:
3 words.
Colin Kazim Richards.
Very weird indeed ?
Very true. We have the second highest goalscorer in the highest level of academy football last season, Jamal Hector Ingram, and the the highest scoring goalscorer in the highest level of academy football this season, Jack Stretton, struggling to even make up the numbers yet because of this fantasy of a target man we're left with CKR on the bench.
It makes no sense to me. CKR hasn't had much time and he's not done too bad when he's had a chance, but completely undermines the direction I thought the club wanted to go.
It's outrageous that we have these types of strikers excelling at the very top of the U23 Premier League, but we're not willing to give them an opportunity when we can't buy a goal.
Marriott is the only striker that's scored a goal from open play for us this season, nearly a quarter of the way in, which is absolutely staggering.
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43 minutes ago, Red_Dawn said:
Why would he sack him, you're about to get bought out. Let the next guy pick up that bill ..
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/Derby-mel-morris-phillip-cocu-22982108
I initially thought this, and I suspect it is true, but surely the expense would be to Derby County rather than Mel Morris regardless who was owner at the time.
It's more of a case of letting the new guy complete the takeover and make his own decision. Any sacking is going to inhibit our ability to make signings in January, in the very best case, so it's not as straight forward as get rid and get someone else in.
It's a strange situation, but everything about this season from our point of view has been strange.
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15 minutes ago, Ellafella said:
. . . leaving us without a recognised striker who fits our system.
I'd say that we need to change the system then. Vardy leads the line for Leicester, Palace are playing Zaha and Ayew upfront, Southampton are also going with Adams and Ings. It goes to show that success isn't reliant on having someone upfront who can hold the ball up.
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I championed Hughton as the potential successor to Lampard when he left. I think Hughton gets a hard time for his 'play style' but he's actually just a very adaptable coach and was able to turn around Brighton and get them promoted THEN keep them in the Premier League without much investment. Not to mention what he's done at previous clubs. I didn't think the Forest job would interest him to be honest, obviously a big club in this division but it's about as chaotic as it gets without a member of the board getting arrested in Fr-.. ok, it IS as chaotic as it gets.
I'm just not sure how this all works out. I don't imagine whilst Marinakas is still there then this will ever be a settled football club, obviously that doesn't mean they can't be successful, but it's certainly going to be a tough environment to work within. Sabri, I felt, did a really good job with what he had. I do think it eventually caught up with him and they started to concede goals they weren't doing earlier on in the season and the confidence dropped quickly. It will be interesting to see how they get on.
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It's so difficult, I really wouldn't know where to start in all honesty.
Marshall
Byrne MTW Clarke Buchanan
Jozwiak Bird Bielik Ibe
Lawrence Waghorn
A bit old fashioned, like, but you can mix it up as you please.
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3 minutes ago, Shuff264 said:
It depends on what you think the purpose of FFP/P+S really is.
Is it to ensure clubs are sustainable?
Is it to ensure a level playing field?
Or probably a mix of the two.
Exactly. It HAS to be sustainability because no one can tell me with a straight face that it's to ensure a level playing field despite numerous teams having a £50m head start per year.
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4 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:
It's no different than allowing an owner to inject as much cash as they want
In some respects, I agree. However, the main point here (and I would assume for the EFL) is that the asset is on Olympiacos and not Forest.
If Forest sign a player on a three year deal for £1.5m and on £40k-a-week. They, in theory, get a £1.5m asset, but they've also agreed to pay £6.24m over the course of his contract. The problem is in this scenario, if the owner goes bankrupt or simply can't afford to pay, then it's the club who is attached to the contract. Similarly, in your scenario, an owner could come in and sign a lot of players on contracts and effectively leave before ever having to see them through. An owner could stump up the £1.5m and then the first £2m of his contract, but then leave with an additional £4m left to pay. I would guess that's why the EFL can look the other way on things like this.
In this scenario, of course, Forest may be paying a loan fee and some wages. However, if the poo hits the fan, it will be Olympiacos that will have to pick up the pieces and not Forest.
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7 minutes ago, David said:
EFL will step in at some point and ban transfers between clubs with the same owners, Forest need to make sure they are on the right side of FFP when it happens.
I doubt it - I don't think they should either. The point of P&S is to ensure sustainability. If Olympiacos sign him then they take on the asset and therefore the risk. I wouldn't be thrilled about it if I was an Olympiacos fan, that's for sure, but really it's a smart way of getting around the P&S regulations and it has absolutely no detrimental effect for Forest in the long-term.
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1 hour ago, Carl Sagan said:
It's all about opinions! I was surprised we let him go as he seemed one of the consistent strong performers, always bagging goals in a team that wasn't as strong as we have now. If I recall he was quite critical of his lack of opportunities when he was released, but I may be doing him a disservice because I can't find a link. It might have been that he was shipped out to VVV-Venlo in January 2018 and didn't really have any contact with the club from then on.
I only watched the odd game, so wouldn't want to overly criticise him but he never seemed to do much in the games I saw. Zanzala and Vernam were much more visible, all three had similar records for the U23s - albeit Zanzala slightly ahead:
Zanzala - 12 goals in 32 games
Jakobson - 7 goals in 30 games
Vernam - 13 goals in 51 gamesI seem to recall him losing the ball quite a lot when I saw him, just someone I never thought would make it.
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3 hours ago, Jubbs said:
Preston have just signed former striker Emil Riis Jakobsen, scored a few in the academy, never made it to the first team.
For saying Alex Neil was moaning about us spending a lot of money, he's just spent £1.5m on a Derby reject.
I'd honestly forgotten about this guy. He always looked quite cumbersome in what was a relatively poor academy class. I remember him getting a loan move to the Eredivisie and barely playing a minute.
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on in the Championship. I'm assuming he must've improved considerably in order to get this move, especially considering they've spent over a million on hm. It's not too dissimilar to what we're looking to pay for Dursun.
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I honestly think that Forest might be taking the piss a little now with these signings. We're talking nearly 60 players in 2 years.
I've played on Sunday morning teams with a lesser turnover than that, plus the wagebill now must be exceeding £40m.
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20 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:
To be fair Liverpool were pissed off by City on that one.
He means when Liverpool stole him from QPR. They at least got £50m for him which was a decent sum at the time.
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2 minutes ago, Carnero said:
Nothing we could do about it unfortunately, Man City wanted him & he wanted Man City. The new academy rules mean that we couldn't stop him from going. Some you win, some you lose.
Absolutely which is why it's probably going to sting more.
He would definitely be within our first team squad now, perhaps even starting. Unfortunately, the move to Man City looks to have worked well as he's seemingly on the fringes of their first team and playing with the very best midfielders in the world.
I can't even blame him, it's just crap for us fans more than anything else!
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Liam Delap is going to be a punch in the gut for this club for a while. It wouldn't be surprising to see him make his debut for Man City soon enough.
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Yeah, absolutely no problem with the Forest owner owning two football clubs and funding it this way. As GoC said: if it's a problem then by all means change the rules to stop the same owner of two clubs selling players between them.
Equally, buy another football team and do the same thing. It's not their own rule - it can be exploited by anyone.
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I'm pleased about Chrstie heading to Forest. He's a player that I really began to loathe during the end of his time here.
He started off really quite promising as Wisdom's replacement, but it wasn't long before things soured. Fundamentally, an exceptionally flawed footballer who prides himself as an attacking fullback that has 1 goal and 3 assists in his last three seasons.
I can't wait for the backlash of rabid Forest fans after a few games for them.
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That's an incredible result considering the players we're missing. It's the Man City team that took Mansfield (a league club) apart not a week ago. Fair play.
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Ebosele and Hector-Ingram could genuinely be involved today for the first team. I don't know if there is anyone else.
Shonibare scored for the U23s.
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Man City making easy work of our U23 side. No surprise really.
Liam Delap just rubbing salt in the wound. I'm sure he would've been in the first team squad for today had he stayed, such a shame.
U18s are putting Sunderland to the sword though. 2-0 up.
Derby just pulled one back against City. 2-1 now.
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Marshall The Hero
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Marshall is genuinely the reason we have any points at all on the board at all this season. It’s great to see him have this moment that I’m sure he will never forget.
Best keeper since Poom has to be Carson, though, he was unreal for an entire season. He was worth a lot of points that season with match winning performance after match winning performance. Butland was below average here, it’s revisionist to say otherwise I remember the collective sigh of relief when Grant returned.
Bywater in our promotion season was very good, as was a few players that simply fell of a cliff. Dean Leacock was exceptional that season and he struggled to cut it as a professional footballer after that season.