Kathcairns

It’s not about your take being popular or unpopular but, I rather suspect, unlike Mel, the administrator know what they’re doing. We may appeal or we may not. We may be successful or we may not be but I don’t think any of us, with zero experience (I suspect) of being an administrator are in any position to be so critical of them.

Let’s not also forget, they let the London clubs open up their stadiums for a brief while too. Even though that area was rife with Covid. We were never allowed to open even though we had to prepare to open up and spent thousands on producing stickers and notices and paying for them to be placed around the ground. These were never used in the period they were designed for.

Yeah, call us a cab will ya? 

Are you in the Joiners Arms?

It’s highly likely we will have new owners by January. If they can sign players then I see no reason why we wouldn’t stay up.
We’ve only lost 3 games out of 11 this season. One of those being late with 10 men and the other being even later with 2 goals in added time. To say that a squad that’s achieved that isn’t good enough is barmy. We still have players to come back from injury too.
I can’t believe you wouldn’t want to fight with everything we have to stay in this league. There is no guarantees of coming back from League 1 anytime soon. Also the tv money in League 1 is something like £1.5m per team then £30k per game picked for tv (which is hardly ever). The Championship is something like £7m per club then £100k per game on tv.
£300k is insignificant when comparing those numbers. Even if we make a good go of staying up and end up with 3 matches late in the season on sky for a relegation battle then we’ve covered that.

Glad you’re not playing for us

I think a buyer would be happy to spend 300k trying to reduce the points so we have more chance of staying up which will result in more income being in the Champ over League 1

Anyone arguing that appealing is a waste of money and we should have used it for those that have been made redundant need to realise that without appealing there’s a good chance more jobs will be lost if we end up in league 1. If we stay in the Championship by a point or 2 because of a won appeal, then we’re protecting more jobs in the longer term and those that lost jobs may possibly get them back.

If Derby get a further 9 points they are relegated, so of course Derby have to appeal the 12 points already given.
Problem is the appeal against the points route been tried before and it failed.
It's very tough in League One as my understanding is that all clubs have very limited wage budget plus their transfer budgets are the same in as much as they are not allowed to spend beyond a certain amount on transfers.
That was designed to give a competitive level playing field.
Since derbys wages are potentially already to high, if in League One it would mean bringing in new players could be very difficult.
Plus I thought I read that Rooney wouldn't stay at Derby if they are relegated.
When I look at League bias it's very clear that the it exists in the championship, even without derbys transfer embargo, the clubs only allowed to spend a set amount on wages and transfers but those clubs relegated from the Premier league have Premier league quality players plus they get massive parachute payments over 3 years meaning they can be promoted very quickly.
So clubs without the luxury of parachute payments are hamstrung in terms of ability to compete.
 

Boils down to 1 question:
If COVID hadn't happened would DCFC be in administration right now? Everything points towards no.
Doesn't matter how much of the mess we are in is down to financial mismanagement, if losses because of COVID contributed to pushing us over the edge then we wouldn't have been in admin without it.
COVID is a force majeure event. That's not up for debate.
Will the EFL try and argue admin was down to Mel stopping funding the club? Most likely that's the route they will take.
But it's a fact we have lost £20million+ due to COVID stopping revenue.

Gibson's involvement is the weirdest bit of the whole saga. Not so much that he chose to get involved, more that the EFL allowed him to be quite as central to it all as he appears to be. 
 
The sooner we get an independent regulator that isn't beholden to vested interests, the better.

Crewton is right. Derby's case is much stronger than Wigan's. That isn't saying much it's true, as Wigan's really was a hopeless case.

If you're ever in The Manchester and see Richard Keogh and other players half cut, Make sure he gets in a Taxi or they'll be hell tp pay.

That isn't even remotely accurate. The 'Covid losses' element of Wigan's position weren't sufficiently large to be considered a 'Force Majeur' event. Derby's include an entire season without fans and with reduced commercial income because of pandemic restrictions.
Wigan's case also wasn't helped by the fact that the prospective owner contacted an insolvency specialist about the possibility of putting Wigan into Administration the day before he took a 51% stake. He couldn't have made it look more like an engineered insolvency if he'd written a confession and posted it on Facebook. 
Covid didn't cause Wigan's insolvency, the new owner planned it that way. 

Exactly. I would say £20 million is a good excuse for Force Majeure on cash flow.
However coming to an agreement is a better option to save everyone the hassle.
Id even accept a ‘guilty’ verdict if the total points deduction can be capped at 12.

I agree, this is not a scenario that the EFL wants, it is possible we could negotiate a deal. We do have a case based on Covid, might not win it but we could. The EFL need to decide if they can risk losing and the floodgates opening or making a compromise where we accept a number, say 6 (6 suspended) for admin and 9 for FFP. the total would have to be more than the 12 we already have.
lets see as we don't have a lot to go on 

Do you imagine that relegation, which you seem to be advocating, wouldn't result in even more job losses, nor threaten the future existence of the club?
The blasé way in which some fans seem to want the Club/Administrators to simply roll over and accept whatever punishment the EFL want to mete out, in some cases mainly (it seems) because they're "bored with it all" is quite staggering. 
Unlike Wigan, DCFC's case is based on a full season of heavily impacted revenues. The argument that the owner could simply have made up the difference, or that he shouldn't have allowed the club to get into financial difficulties in the first place doesn't negate the impact of the pandemic.
I expect it to fail, because such a precedent is the last thing the EFL would want, but I'm pleased they're willing to try it, if only to keep our season alive.

Fwiw I think the appeal is of merit. Let us not forget it is Administrators, men of accounting acumen, who are lodging this appeal. They will be tooled up to put forward a convincing case. The appeal is not on behalf of the Club either, as their responsibility is to get the best deal for the Creditors. The Club will look more of an attractive purchase if League One football next season is anything other than a certainty.

If Derby is successful it could be the difference between relegation and staying up. Don't see how its ludicrous if they think there is a strong case.

The weaselly self righteous  mantra they come out with is "to preserve the integrity of the league". Meanwhile the Premier league accepts new owners of  regimes that murder journalists for telling the truth, glad to see integrity being preserved there .  

EFL didn't slowly screw over Bury did they?  They gave them  a few days to finalise a sale and then when that didnt work at first they  vaporised them with a death ray. Not just screwing them first  but murdering them and boiling the body parts in sulphuric acid to leave not a trace of a 130 year old club. Should we allow EFL to do that to Derby too,  without a defence or fight?
 
 

I don't think it's a case of appeal for appeals sake, Admin must think there's a case to have a chance to at least halve the 12 points, The EFL loaned to other clubs Covid-19 bail out money, DCFC never/didn't/couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't apply for the said loan for whatever reason, "I would love it just love it" if the EFL are now stocking up with Loo Rolls ?

Because the EFL's cases against the club have been a contributory factor too, yet more money wasted on defending tenuous charges of breaching non-existent rules, and they've seemed to be manipulated by other club owners into doing things to Derby that they have never done to other clubs before. The partiality is so clear that it's not surprising that some fans have a downer on the EFL. The pronunciations of Rick Parry, and their pompous self-serving responses to the Supporters Group questions the other day won't have convinced anyone that this isn't simply the Regulators doing their job. Mel Morris takes prime spot on the list of those responsible for DCFC's current plight, but the EFL are far from blameless. 

May as well appeal, the worst is 12 for admin + 9 for p&s, so new possible owners will know that already.
An appeal means it could go from 21 overall to 15, which we have overtuned 14 of already.
There is no doubting covid has had a huge impact on our income, whether that is 5m or 20m, had we received that money we may have stayed out of admin, how much we were losing a month/year before covid is irrelevant as the club still didnt go into administration then.
Good to see 4 groups (Evans, Moxey consortium, Brit abroad & then Carlisle Group) mentioned with then maybe Ashley & possibly the Gary Cook group who have been sniffing around since Alonso. Shows we are still an attractive club to buy.

This is precisely the reason the club mentioned covid in their statement about admin. They also made a point of saying it would have been profitable had it not been for lock down. 
300k is a risk worth taking. Call me naive but I think the club have a case. Would we be in admin without it? I don't think so. 
Not sure how brave the Efl would be halving it with the outcries from other clubs led by gibson