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2 minutes ago, RIMBAUD said:

Neither of the reasons you mentioned are the reason at all. It’s because he based his assertions on preconceived notions, not experience. It’s a shame you think that other people’s opinions are boring, insulting etc. Aren’t you being guilty of what you’re criticising other forum members of?  That’s hypocrisy, isn’t it?

No, that's misrepresentation.

4 minutes ago, RIMBAUD said:

You clearly have no idea about the range of places that many posters on this forum hail from.

No, you are right.  I clearly have no idea.  I didn't even read all of the "Fans not from Derbyshire" thread, to make sure that I remained ignorant.

15 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Is this meant to be a joke?

No - I mean it.  It's a response to some predictable rubbish on this thread.  Jourdan makes some valid points, but there are attempts to shut him down because he "lives in the SW" or "hasn't seen the games".  It's just another manifestation of the "I'm a real fan, and you aren't" undercurrent that runs through so many of the topics on here.  It's parochial, insulting and boring.

22 hours ago, RIMBAUD said:

Ok. My problem was that you were picking holes with events you haven’t even seen. So the rest is for you to find out from people who have. Read them. 

This is a local forum for local people. You're not welcome here.

7 hours ago, Eatonram said:

This thread has aged well. 

<Yawn>.  As I said before, it's bizarre that some posters seem to be believe that all opinions are lightly held, change with the breeze etc.  Yes, it's great we finally have a win.  Have I changed my mind that they should both go?  No.  And it's probably just a coincidence that Sibley was started, I guess.

1 minute ago, Ghost of Clough said:

New season, new start

If only... Sadly, he's still here 

4 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

If we had won no one would be calling for him to be sacked.

 

I see you are persisting with your logical fallacy.  How do you know that?  I would still be calling for him to be sacked.

7 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

At 14:15 on Saturday, I bet Rooney and the team were getting praised by the majority on here.
Then 2 massive defensive rooster ups and Rooney is suddenly to blame?

Oh come on, do you really think we are all so shallow and fickle?  I've consistently wanted him out, well before the end of last season.  He's not "suddenly" to blame at all.  Conversely, 1 deflected shot from a corner and Rooney is the Messiah??

As an aside, I've never understood this "logic" - it is perfectly possible for there to be 2 co-existing cohorts, one of whom holds an opinion, and the other holding a diametrically opposed view.  Just because one cohort is temporarily more vocal, does not mean that the other has changed their mind.

It feels like this debate has reached absurd levels now - reminds me of the Monty Python sketch "what have the Romans done for us" (yes, I know, I'm showing my age -  link below for the youngsters).

But rather than the Romans, it's "but why should we sack the management"

1 win in 15 last season

Stayed up by the skin of our teeth, and largely because of a Cardiff equaliser through Marlon Pack rather than our own endeavours

Easy start to the season against relegation rivals, but gain 1 point out of 6 and can't beat a league 2 side in normal time in the cup.

Utterly bizarre "tactics" (I actually think any suggestion of there being tactics is being generous)

Stubborn refusal to make any changes when nothing is working

Idiotic substitutions when changes are not needed

Youth players seem to have regressed, having grown under Cocu

Lauds youth players in a ridiculously over the top way -  "will play for England", then drops them unceremoniously

Can't seem to find a place for arguably one of our most talented youngsters, the only one who can change a game, and there are rumours of a Rowett-esque "not in my plans" discussion

I could go on...

But, as certain posters on here will say "yes, yes, but apart from all that, why shouldn't we stick with him"?  Blows my mind.

13 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Maybe Wayne has given the club an ultimatum, if Tom goes I go ?

Keep the replies clean please.

Surely the definition of a Win-Win?

11 hours ago, angieram said:

Frankly, I don't think we will see it for Derby as he will be off at the end of the season. I might join him.....

Not for the first time, I'm with @angieram on this one.

I've supported Derby for over 40 frustrating years, sometimes up, mostly down, and recently I've found myself pondering on what it actually means to support the club.  After all, there is almost no link between the Derby of the late '70s and that of today - not the players, manager, owners; not even the ground.  Perhaps the kit, if you squint in a low light...

I think it was Rowett's preposterous sale of Will Hughes that really crystallised it for me - it's through the development of the club's young players that I most identify with the club.  I really enjoy watching young football players develop; like the vicarious thrill of hearing fans of other teams talk about "that young Derby player" they've seen; even more so when, like Buchanan this season, they show it on a bigger stage.

That's why, after yesterday's disappointment, I found myself looking at other results - Will Hughes at Watford, obviously, but also Jack Stretton at Stockport, Farrend Rawson (& Nigel Clough) at Mansfield, Charles Vernam at Bradford, wondering where JH-I is at Stevenage....  These players (and manager) are always "Derby" to me.

And so, after Rooney's ill-advised public comments about Louie Sibley yesterday, I no longer care whether Rooney goes or stays.  For me, Derby County isn't about Wayne Rooney, it's about Louie Sibley, Max Bird, Lee Buchanan and the others.   Keep going, boys.