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I'd have John-Jules back if we can get him on an incentivised contract. Maybe a small wage, but combine it with a decent bonus for when he plays. However, I doubt he'd go for something like that as it is so obvious he's injury prone.

What you on about?
 
Look at total appearances of non goalkeepers playing late on 40 years ago vs players retiring now. 
 
Bellingham for example will probably burn out in his early thirties but he’ll have probably played the highest number of matches by an elite English footballer by that point. 
 
They’re like cars - it isn’t number of years old it’s miles on the clock. 

Nearly every relegated team has quality, same way there’s a few players we’d take off Birmingham ,Huddersfield and even Rotherham.

I have absolutely no problem in signing experienced players on a free - the problem is when you start paying fees for players late into their career. I would argue that it’s not advisable for a club in our situation.
Ultimately, we do need quality in any way we can get it. NML just had his career best year at 31/32. If the plan is to run a sustainable football club, outgoing transfers are a major part of being able to realise that. If you’re looking to compete, like we did in League One, the only factor is bring enough quality into the club. The resale value of assets is inconsequential, but I’d guess and hope that’s not the case now we’re in the Championship. 

To answer your question plainly (and in my opinion) no it’s not fair to say, it’s an assumption, who have we been credibly linked with for a start?
Players leave clubs on free transfers for all manner of reasons, it’s not automatically a sign they’re on a rapid decline or are injury ravaged.
Who were our key performers last season? 30 year old Curtis Nelson? 32 year old Nathaniel Mendez-Laing? 33 year old James Collins? Alongside Cashin and a couple of the younger pros. I think it’s about balance, some experience alongside a core of peak age players and some youth. We have no idea who we’re going to sign, I’m happy to wait and see who actually joins and how they contribute to the club before I come to any conclusions.

 

This is much better reasoning.

I don’t buy that 30 yr old + means you’re irrelevant, although if speed and agility are your leading attributes (Michael Owen E.g.) then you’re descent from world class to can’t compete is very quick.
If you’re a classy C(D)M then it’s a different story. Kroos could play another 4 years at the top table (or very close to it). 

Who are Derby Football Club? 🤔

I think you great break Rooney’s spell with us into several parts.
As a player, there are 2 distinct differences between pre and post the COVID break.  At the start, superb.  He ran the show in lots of games and was in good shape.  After the restart, he was totally out of shape and was hinderance to the team.  In Ryan Conways book I think it’s Max Lowe who said they’d all been given individual trading plans to keep in shape.  When they returned, Rooney had obviously put on a bit of timber and after running 1 lap of the pitch on the first training session he gave up and went back in the changing room.  He looked off the pace in matches and could barely run.
Then as a manager there are also 2 parts.  When he took over he was shocking.  No tactics, no plan.  You’d think for someone having worked for some of the best managers and coaches and with an aspiration to be a manager he’d have an idea how he wanted his teams to play.  We just did what the opposition did.  Then the administration season, which I think is his finest moment.  We did start with a plan and structure as to how he wanted us to play.  Although I think he was a bit lucky to have a good coaching staff with him.  But from the admin announcement he became a leader.  He lead the players, the staff behind the scenes, the fans - everyone.  He galvanised the club and the city.  It was us against the world and he created a siege mentality.  He didn’t let the points deductions get to anyone.  Many would have given up, he gave us all hope and belief that we could stay up.
I’ll always remember that last season, weirdly one of the best despite the ending.  I wish him well at Plymouth, except against us!!  You have to admire his desire to keep going and trying again.  I hope he takes the time to get his backroom team right as I think this will be key to whether he makes a good go of it or not.

You can’t fail to be moved watching that.  I think the BBC have done a great job following his story since his diagnosis, including Doddie Weir (RIP) and Stephen Darby.  They’ve done several pieces on Rob, his family and in particular the efforts and support of Kevin Sinfield - everyone needs a friend like him.  It’s certainly helped to raise awareness of MND.

Under your rules, I don't have to provide any evidence for what I've posted, so I'm not going to.
 

Yes. Lets not forget we have got out of league 1 in double quick time. We could very easily have been doing a Bolton and spending a couple more seasons in it. We are a big club, eventually we will rise but we need to build some foundations for a while. I think we are in for a GSE type period of incremental improvement for a couple of seasons. But there will come a point if we are managed carefully that we become a plum opportunity for an investor   

I see everyone is staying nice and patient. Willing to throw everything up in the air and take risks, just to see a premier league game at Pride Park. Unfortunately for them, I don't think Clowes will take chances with the Rams' existence and they'll just have to chill their bones until he believes he's found the right investment partner.

RIP Rob
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jun/02/rob-burrow-leeds-scrum-half-dies-41-mnd-rugby-league

Now you see that’s interesting as a statement, I think you’re wrong. I agree, I would not be comfortable paying big fees for 30+ players but, would be very happy to get the odd quality 32 year old on a FREE. Everyone needs and earns wages. Their age is unimportant if their ability is useful. The difficult bit is the capital outlay. If it’s a free then the equation is very simple. Is player X at 32 worth his  pay cheque ?. .. it’s a whole different game if the statement is .. is he worth his paycheque and the 500 grand that we will never recoup because he isn’t going to improve and have zero resale due to that and a shortish contract length. Nothing wrong with older players. It’s the balance of cost and contract length. Youth and experience it’s all about the blend/mix/balance/cost. 

Much as I liked Lewis Dobbin as a player for us if he really, truly got a pay rise of £31k per week over and above anything he got with us then no wonder Everton, the PL, football generally in the UK is a financial shambles.

I think you great break Rooney’s spell with us into several parts.
As a player, there are 2 distinct differences between pre and post the COVID break.  At the start, superb.  He ran the show in lots of games and was in good shape.  After the restart, he was totally out of shape and was hinderance to the team.  In Ryan Conways book I think it’s Max Lowe who said they’d all been given individual trading plans to keep in shape.  When they returned, Rooney had obviously put on a bit of timber and after running 1 lap of the pitch on the first training session he gave up and went back in the changing room.  He looked off the pace in matches and could barely run.
Then as a manager there are also 2 parts.  When he took over he was shocking.  No tactics, no plan.  You’d think for someone having worked for some of the best managers and coaches and with an aspiration to be a manager he’d have an idea how he wanted his teams to play.  We just did what the opposition did.  Then the administration season, which I think is his finest moment.  We did start with a plan and structure as to how he wanted us to play.  Although I think he was a bit lucky to have a good coaching staff with him.  But from the admin announcement he became a leader.  He lead the players, the staff behind the scenes, the fans - everyone.  He galvanised the club and the city.  It was us against the world and he created a siege mentality.  He didn’t let the points deductions get to anyone.  Many would have given up, he gave us all hope and belief that we could stay up.
I’ll always remember that last season, weirdly one of the best despite the ending.  I wish him well at Plymouth, except against us!!  You have to admire his desire to keep going and trying again.  I hope he takes the time to get his backroom team right as I think this will be key to whether he makes a good go of it or not.

I think you great break Rooney’s spell with us into several parts.
As a player, there are 2 distinct differences between pre and post the COVID break.  At the start, superb.  He ran the show in lots of games and was in good shape.  After the restart, he was totally out of shape and was hinderance to the team.  In Ryan Conways book I think it’s Max Lowe who said they’d all been given individual trading plans to keep in shape.  When they returned, Rooney had obviously put on a bit of timber and after running 1 lap of the pitch on the first training session he gave up and went back in the changing room.  He looked off the pace in matches and could barely run.
Then as a manager there are also 2 parts.  When he took over he was shocking.  No tactics, no plan.  You’d think for someone having worked for some of the best managers and coaches and with an aspiration to be a manager he’d have an idea how he wanted his teams to play.  We just did what the opposition did.  Then the administration season, which I think is his finest moment.  We did start with a plan and structure as to how he wanted us to play.  Although I think he was a bit lucky to have a good coaching staff with him.  But from the admin announcement he became a leader.  He lead the players, the staff behind the scenes, the fans - everyone.  He galvanised the club and the city.  It was us against the world and he created a siege mentality.  He didn’t let the points deductions get to anyone.  Many would have given up, he gave us all hope and belief that we could stay up.
I’ll always remember that last season, weirdly one of the best despite the ending.  I wish him well at Plymouth, except against us!!  You have to admire his desire to keep going and trying again.  I hope he takes the time to get his backroom team right as I think this will be key to whether he makes a good go of it or not.

I think you great break Rooney’s spell with us into several parts.
As a player, there are 2 distinct differences between pre and post the COVID break.  At the start, superb.  He ran the show in lots of games and was in good shape.  After the restart, he was totally out of shape and was hinderance to the team.  In Ryan Conways book I think it’s Max Lowe who said they’d all been given individual trading plans to keep in shape.  When they returned, Rooney had obviously put on a bit of timber and after running 1 lap of the pitch on the first training session he gave up and went back in the changing room.  He looked off the pace in matches and could barely run.
Then as a manager there are also 2 parts.  When he took over he was shocking.  No tactics, no plan.  You’d think for someone having worked for some of the best managers and coaches and with an aspiration to be a manager he’d have an idea how he wanted his teams to play.  We just did what the opposition did.  Then the administration season, which I think is his finest moment.  We did start with a plan and structure as to how he wanted us to play.  Although I think he was a bit lucky to have a good coaching staff with him.  But from the admin announcement he became a leader.  He lead the players, the staff behind the scenes, the fans - everyone.  He galvanised the club and the city.  It was us against the world and he created a siege mentality.  He didn’t let the points deductions get to anyone.  Many would have given up, he gave us all hope and belief that we could stay up.
I’ll always remember that last season, weirdly one of the best despite the ending.  I wish him well at Plymouth, except against us!!  You have to admire his desire to keep going and trying again.  I hope he takes the time to get his backroom team right as I think this will be key to whether he makes a good go of it or not.

AFAICR when the Co-Op stepped in, we had no overdue tax debt and no other clubs were suing us, which is a very clear distinction between Lionel and Mel. And, ultimately, Mel put the club into Administration and ran off. Maybe Lionel would have had to if the Co-op hadn't pre-empted such an action, but he didn't, and was left in a far worse financial position than Mel.
I'm not really sure how anyone can make a case for Lionel being a worse owner than Mel.

Because they're a big city one club team that taps into the 'Yorkshire' brand in a way no other Yorkshire club does. That said, I would be pretty dismayed as a Leeds fan letting Red Bull into the ownership structure given how they've used other clubs to purely promote their brand. 
p.s. Leeds don't see us as rivals exactly. Derby are disliked in the city still because of the playoff semifinal & with the older lads, resentment at Clough's far superior legacy to Revie & Derby stopping them winning the double in 1972. We would rank in their top 10 of most disliked but not in the top 5. Leeds will benchmark themselves against other big cities (Manchester, Liverpool, London clubs). Their perception of us a smaller foe won't be helped by some of our away crowds at Elland Road - that needs to improve going forward.
Its fair to say we're on opposite sides of this - I can't think of anything worse than having to 'trust' the intentions of any new foreign owner with no links to Derby. Just out of interest, would you want Clowes involved at all post any takeover? Observing the decision making at clubs like Birmingham & Hull has been jaw dropping at times & the lack of actual football knowledge negates any perceived financial advantage. Wrexham & Leicester have often been lauded as examples of highly successful foreign takeovers but the former has been mainly due to bullying impoverished rivals in National League/League Two (that won't work as well next season) & Leicester have been consistent FFP cheats since the Thais took over but unlike us, have been lucky at key times to avoid sanction.
Given the mood music of FFP/P&S and the medium term likelihood of a football regulator, I would prefer Derby were run sensibly along a model of progressive improvement - much in the same way Coventry, Luton & Preston have been run over the past 5 years. The key difference is our turnover is far superior to all of those 3 clubs so there shouldn't be issues around competitiveness if we have the right backroom & management team. Taking that route previously also brought us closest to promotion to the Prem - GSE under Clough & ultimately McClaren.

Rooney was impressive at RB. Many on this very forum were keen for him to be our regular RB last season until he got injured.
Wilson played RB in a back 4 at least a dozen times last season and his defending improved greatly over the course of the season. At Exeter away, he was superb. So, not his strongest position perhaps, but he's perfectly capable of playing there, and playing well.

Your getting there, don't name Warne though, just put a statement out that implies it without actually saying it 😉

Both Souttar and Lonwijk would be really solid signings for where we want to be this year.
If Bradley goes to Charlton, Souttar to fit into his place in the middle of the 3, we’d have Lonwijk, Nyambe & Forsyth who could also play there which would allow Rooney to go off on loan. After his injury, I think it’s important he gets some regular game time which he probably wouldn’t get next season.
A starting LWB to replace Sibley with Elder/Forsyth as back-up, plus possibly Iversen in goal, and the defensive side of the team would be sorted, and a quality one even for Championship standards.

Ganging up , bullying 😂😂😂, here we go again ,,,,, you pick subjects and points of view that you know will fully put you at odds with lots of posters on this forum and let’s be honest they are 99% of the time aimed at putting derby , the manager and players down , that’s fine but don’t pull all this victim poo , you crave attention through negative jibes at the club

I’d wondered about Souttar.  He was decent at Stoke and signed for Leicester at the wrong time and was probably a panic buy in their relegation season.  He’s not Prem quality and Leicester will need rid.