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Yep , we are now at the point we should have been months ago , the fantasy buyer is gone, he was never going to buy us and all he has done is waste time and fool some fans into believing we are not in the absolute dire life threatening position we are in ,
now we see how much anybody who is willing and able to put the money in is actually prepared to pay for what is the shell mel Morris left of derby county,
if he had a shred of decency he would swallow his loss on the stadium and hand it over to the man prepared to service the debts and mess and perhaps build us up again , 

So who is your bringing in given the choice might be minus 15 or liquidation and start at the very bottom again with our golden ticket gone and a phoenix club?
1, Ashley may pay enough to avoid minus 15
2, if you can magic up a buyer who is willing to pay enough to avoid it then I’m all ears 
beggars can’t be choosers but the fantasy brigade just can’t see it
 

Have you been on the drink? People on here ( along with fantasy island kirch) talking promotion tilts next season with our players staying , manager staying and on mega money , players attracted to the club by said manager despite the state it’s in and a toss up whether they get they’re wages at the end of every month and a bounce straight back promotion push ,
the fantasist has left the building , now let’s get down to the real business of finding out what actual business people are prepared to pay when they fully intend to pay up and buy the club in the state it’s in 
do people actually not realise that our club is teetering on the verge of extinction and just being saved at this point is far from a given , anything beyond that is a bonus ,
now I’m just off to talk to the fairies at the bottom of my garden to see if there’s any parties comming up

So who is your bringing in given the choice might be minus 15 or liquidation and start at the very bottom again with our golden ticket gone and a phoenix club?
1, Ashley may pay enough to avoid minus 15
2, if you can magic up a buyer who is willing to pay enough to avoid it then I’m all ears 
beggars can’t be choosers but the fantasy brigade just can’t see it
 

So who is your bringing in given the choice might be minus 15 or liquidation and start at the very bottom again with our golden ticket gone and a phoenix club?
1, Ashley may pay enough to avoid minus 15
2, if you can magic up a buyer who is willing to pay enough to avoid it then I’m all ears 
beggars can’t be choosers but the fantasy brigade just can’t see it
 

So who is your bringing in given the choice might be minus 15 or liquidation and start at the very bottom again with our golden ticket gone and a phoenix club?
1, Ashley may pay enough to avoid minus 15
2, if you can magic up a buyer who is willing to pay enough to avoid it then I’m all ears 
beggars can’t be choosers but the fantasy brigade just can’t see it
 

Yep , we are now at the point we should have been months ago , the fantasy buyer is gone, he was never going to buy us and all he has done is waste time and fool some fans into believing we are not in the absolute dire life threatening position we are in ,
now we see how much anybody who is willing and able to put the money in is actually prepared to pay for what is the shell mel Morris left of derby county,
if he had a shred of decency he would swallow his loss on the stadium and hand it over to the man prepared to service the debts and mess and perhaps build us up again , 

Yep , we are now at the point we should have been months ago , the fantasy buyer is gone, he was never going to buy us and all he has done is waste time and fool some fans into believing we are not in the absolute dire life threatening position we are in ,
now we see how much anybody who is willing and able to put the money in is actually prepared to pay for what is the shell mel Morris left of derby county,
if he had a shred of decency he would swallow his loss on the stadium and hand it over to the man prepared to service the debts and mess and perhaps build us up again , 

We are and we aren't.
We had a non serious buyer, who slipped through the net to be "preferred".  When he was offered PBS that is when we were back to square one.  No movement, but illusionary movement.
Now he has gone, the jeopardy has increased - but progress is being made.  Without jeopardy, this is never going to end until the debt is so large, any deal will involve us being essentially a business loan with a football club attached.  
 
 

Out of interest, are you aware of anyone offering more than MA and enough to avoid a 15 point penalty? If there is someone then what MA offers and whatever the “bring MIke Ashley in brigade” might see is irrelevant as their offer will have to be accepted (provided of course they can prove they’ll complete quickly). 
 
I’m not a MA fan and certainly don’t relish the prospect of a 15 point deduction but, if that’s the best offer on the table then we don’t have a lot of choice.
I also think that whilst there will no doubt be some low attendances for unattractive mid week games, the actual average would still be above 16,000. Neither the majority of the fans or the players will throw the towel in (IMO) and whilst it will be tough, relegation certainly won’t be “for sure”.

this is on Mel actually, the new owner will just have saved us from liquidation 

So who is your bringing in given the choice might be minus 15 or liquidation and start at the very bottom again with our golden ticket gone and a phoenix club?
1, Ashley may pay enough to avoid minus 15
2, if you can magic up a buyer who is willing to pay enough to avoid it then I’m all ears 
beggars can’t be choosers but the fantasy brigade just can’t see it
 

Minus 15 won’t be down to the new owner at all. It will be down to MM like everything has. 
 
Why should a new owner pay circa £50-60 mil for something worth half that?
You wouldnt 

Can folks stop this idea that just because someone is incredible rich they should be happy to over-spend to save the club or to make sure we can start the next season on zero points.....people simply don't get to be incredibly rich by frittering money away unnecessarily. It's also part of the 'game' that investors play to buy something as cheaply as possible and turn a huge profit (look at the finance/crypto threads if you need proof for how many ordinary people are doing exactly that (though at a far smaller scale)).
I suggested previously (though probably over 1500 pages ago) that if (for example) Ashley buys us, he won't care too much about getting promoted in the short-term. It will be a long-term project with the aim of making us a sustainable PL team in the next 10-15 years. He's therefore going to pay the bare minimum that he can get away with.....I've used Ashley as an example, but I suspect the same applies to the majority of other possible owners with no current ties to the club. It simply doesn't make sense to chuck money at the club...
Kirchner's agreeement to pay what the EFL and creditors demanded made no sense for a club heading into League One - there simply isn't the value in the club without the ground attached....I really can't see anyone else being willing to match his deal. We either start next season in League One on -15 or we get liquidated and come back as a phoenix club in a year's time - I really can't see any alternative scenario that makes sense now CK has delayed so much and effectively chucked us in the creek without a paddle

Have you been on the drink? People on here ( along with fantasy island kirch) talking promotion tilts next season with our players staying , manager staying and on mega money , players attracted to the club by said manager despite the state it’s in and a toss up whether they get they’re wages at the end of every month and a bounce straight back promotion push ,
the fantasist has left the building , now let’s get down to the real business of finding out what actual business people are prepared to pay when they fully intend to pay up and buy the club in the state it’s in 
do people actually not realise that our club is teetering on the verge of extinction and just being saved at this point is far from a given , anything beyond that is a bonus ,
now I’m just off to talk to the fairies at the bottom of my garden to see if there’s any parties comming up

Actually I’m not , my gut feeling is that our club will be saved and that will make me very very happy , I won’t be all depressed and hateful to the person who eventually saves us if they don’t fulfill the kirch fantasies which he has proved he couldn’t live up to ,thank god he’s been weeded out before he causes any more damage to our club and our fans mental stability 

Actually I’m not , my gut feeling is that our club will be saved and that will make me very very happy , I won’t be all depressed and hateful to the person who eventually saves us if they don’t fulfill the kirch fantasies which he has proved he couldn’t live up to ,thank god he’s been weeded out before he causes any more damage to our club and our fans mental stability 

Whilst its now looking that you're right. People have been told by CK and others in the media that he was the saviour and that everything was gonna be rosey, can't blame people for being open to that idea.
Its a bit of a shock to the system now to have the axe centimetres away from our heads. 

Have you been on the drink? People on here ( along with fantasy island kirch) talking promotion tilts next season with our players staying , manager staying and on mega money , players attracted to the club by said manager despite the state it’s in and a toss up whether they get they’re wages at the end of every month and a bounce straight back promotion push ,
the fantasist has left the building , now let’s get down to the real business of finding out what actual business people are prepared to pay when they fully intend to pay up and buy the club in the state it’s in 
do people actually not realise that our club is teetering on the verge of extinction and just being saved at this point is far from a given , anything beyond that is a bonus ,
now I’m just off to talk to the fairies at the bottom of my garden to see if there’s any parties comming up

Look into my eyes , not around the eyes ,look into my eyes

Look into my eyes , not around the eyes ,look into my eyes

Oat else we need to know?

If he is a fantasist, he has done no such thing.  He has delayed the day we escape from our troubles.  In the absence of firm proof he is anything other than this, I believe we should all move on from him.  His offer may well have made us feel we may eat lobster when porridge and beans is what is on the menu.

Hated? If he saves derby at this point whether minus 15 or minus 30 ,he saves the club and it lives to fight another day ,
it’s easy to be Johnny big spuds and talk about paying enough to stop the points deductions, keep Rooney and players and buy new ones for a promotion tilt next season if you don’t actually have the money or have the money but can’t or won’t complete the purchase ,
people need to get real , that wrong un Morris has stuffed us and that idiot ck has filled some fans heads with pie in the sky fantasies 

Look into my eyes , not around the eyes ,look into my eyes