PistoldPete

Since Lockdown, Derby sold Bogle, Lowe, Bennett, Evans, Holmes, Whittaker and Gordon, for combined fees well in excess of £10 million. Plus saving their wages (seven players there). Didn't renew contracts for Martin, Huddlestone, Carson, Waghorn, Marriott, Malone, Jozefzoon, and Wisdom, and only retained Curtis Davies on massively reduced wages. Huge savings in the wage bill there... sixteen players I have mentioned plus many more.  
We only missed relegation by one point.  If we had cut back any more last season we would have been relegated with severe consequences for revenue this year ... yet still had wages to pay for Lawrence, Bielik and co .. probably gone into administration in the summer.
We signed nobody this summer except for free agents on League Ones salaries. Our most valuable players,  Bielik and Knight were both injured during the summer so unsaleable.     
I think there is a strong case we did everything we reasonably could to cut costs.  
 

No you choose to disagree.  
Put it this way, do you think that covid has finished with us yet? We are still affected by it financially, and we may still find no buyers as a result of the current situation. How much punishment do you think EFL should be allowed to dish out to us for losing money because of covid? Banishment from the League and extinction, as they did with Bury?
 
Is there no limit to the amount of punishment you think EFL should give us, because you think to resist shows a lack of "class"?
 
  

We've been quietly taking 'our punishment' for 2 years now! For our supposed crimes and misdemeanours I'd venture we've paid a massive price already and yet you and some others feel we should just lie down and take even more.
Tell me, what's classy about being a lamb to the slaughter, because for the life of me, I don't see your point. 

I don't really understand this story.
 
My understanding is that the 12 point deduction is an all or nothing thing. According to the rules as I understand them, If covid was the most proximate cause of the administraton then the deduction should be zero  points. If it was not then, it should be 12 points. No other ifs or  buts or mitigating factors that could reduce it in half. 
 
Unless .. we are saying .. we haven't got time to fight this through the courts or tribunals, let's do a deal now and get certainty.  
 
Also EFL asking for our books over six years.. haven't they had them already?   
 
 

Well first of all I think Derby (second highest attendance in the Championship in 2019-20) were most affected by covid than any other team (the team with highest attendance Leeds were promoted to Premier League so got access to a new  money tree) . Many other bigger teams were in receipt of parachute money (which did not reduce during covid) so were also much less affected. Smaller teams not affected so much as they were not relying on big gates anyway, so had smaller budgets. Also of course there is the covid loan that (for disputed reasons)  was denied Derby but not most other teams.
secondly, the club was up for sale, and yes that was probably because Morris was running out of money due to historic overspending. But like I say how do we know that a buyer would not have been found if covid had not come along?  
 

Well first of all I think Derby (second highest attendance in the Championship in 2019-20) were most affected by covid than any other team (the team with highest attendance Leeds were promoted to Premier League so got access to a new  money tree) . Many other bigger teams were in receipt of parachute money (which did not reduce during covid) so were also much less affected. Smaller teams not affected so much as they were not relying on big gates anyway, so had smaller budgets. Also of course there is the covid loan that (for disputed reasons)  was denied Derby but not most other teams.
secondly, the club was up for sale, and yes that was probably because Morris was running out of money due to historic overspending. But like I say how do we know that a buyer would not have been found if covid had not come along?  
 

Administrators have said they are aiming to reduce current and future penalties. Any future penalties would be for P & s and I think it’s a fair point in mitigation that we didn’t knowingly break p & s

I thought on mel’s stTement at the time it was obvious the reasons why it was scripted that way… not Mel just making excuses. 
 
both Mel and the administrators have cited COVID and there are good reasons for that, not least because it’s true.

I thought on mel’s stTement at the time it was obvious the reasons why it was scripted that way… not Mel just making excuses. 
 
both Mel and the administrators have cited COVID and there are good reasons for that, not least because it’s true.

Well first of all I think Derby (second highest attendance in the Championship in 2019-20) were most affected by covid than any other team (the team with highest attendance Leeds were promoted to Premier League so got access to a new  money tree) . Many other bigger teams were in receipt of parachute money (which did not reduce during covid) so were also much less affected. Smaller teams not affected so much as they were not relying on big gates anyway, so had smaller budgets. Also of course there is the covid loan that (for disputed reasons)  was denied Derby but not most other teams.
secondly, the club was up for sale, and yes that was probably because Morris was running out of money due to historic overspending. But like I say how do we know that a buyer would not have been found if covid had not come along?  
 

I thought on mel’s stTement at the time it was obvious the reasons why it was scripted that way… not Mel just making excuses. 
 
both Mel and the administrators have cited COVID and there are good reasons for that, not least because it’s true.

I thought on mel’s stTement at the time it was obvious the reasons why it was scripted that way… not Mel just making excuses. 
 
both Mel and the administrators have cited COVID and there are good reasons for that, not least because it’s true.

I thought on mel’s stTement at the time it was obvious the reasons why it was scripted that way… not Mel just making excuses. 
 
both Mel and the administrators have cited COVID and there are good reasons for that, not least because it’s true.

Administrators have said they are aiming to reduce current and future penalties. Any future penalties would be for P & s and I think it’s a fair point in mitigation that we didn’t knowingly break p & s

I wouldn’t hAve a problem with embargo per se a one in one  out transfer embargo etc but softer than present . 
 
 

Crewton is right. Derby's case is much stronger than Wigan's. That isn't saying much it's true, as Wigan's really was a hopeless case.

The weaselly self righteous  mantra they come out with is "to preserve the integrity of the league". Meanwhile the Premier league accepts new owners of  regimes that murder journalists for telling the truth, glad to see integrity being preserved there .  

EFL didn't slowly screw over Bury did they?  They gave them  a few days to finalise a sale and then when that didnt work at first they  vaporised them with a death ray. Not just screwing them first  but murdering them and boiling the body parts in sulphuric acid to leave not a trace of a 130 year old club. Should we allow EFL to do that to Derby too,  without a defence or fight?
 
 

Well first of all I think Derby (second highest attendance in the Championship in 2019-20) were most affected by covid than any other team (the team with highest attendance Leeds were promoted to Premier League so got access to a new  money tree) . Many other bigger teams were in receipt of parachute money (which did not reduce during covid) so were also much less affected. Smaller teams not affected so much as they were not relying on big gates anyway, so had smaller budgets. Also of course there is the covid loan that (for disputed reasons)  was denied Derby but not most other teams.
secondly, the club was up for sale, and yes that was probably because Morris was running out of money due to historic overspending. But like I say how do we know that a buyer would not have been found if covid had not come along?  
 

But who is to say he wouldn't have sold the club if not for covid? And administration avoided? It is hardly an "excuse", covid has had a devastating affect on revenues and indeed on valuations of players and other assets as well as on the  prospects of selling the club. Anoyone who denies that must have an agenda against Morris. 

Nobody is saying that. They are saying COVID was the proximate cause of the administration , the final straw.

I don't really understand this story.
 
My understanding is that the 12 point deduction is an all or nothing thing. According to the rules as I understand them, If covid was the most proximate cause of the administraton then the deduction should be zero  points. If it was not then, it should be 12 points. No other ifs or  buts or mitigating factors that could reduce it in half. 
 
Unless .. we are saying .. we haven't got time to fight this through the courts or tribunals, let's do a deal now and get certainty.  
 
Also EFL asking for our books over six years.. haven't they had them already?   
 
 

Well first of all I think Derby (second highest attendance in the Championship in 2019-20) were most affected by covid than any other team (the team with highest attendance Leeds were promoted to Premier League so got access to a new  money tree) . Many other bigger teams were in receipt of parachute money (which did not reduce during covid) so were also much less affected. Smaller teams not affected so much as they were not relying on big gates anyway, so had smaller budgets. Also of course there is the covid loan that (for disputed reasons)  was denied Derby but not most other teams.
secondly, the club was up for sale, and yes that was probably because Morris was running out of money due to historic overspending. But like I say how do we know that a buyer would not have been found if covid had not come along?  
 

Nobody is saying that. They are saying COVID was the proximate cause of the administration , the final straw.

Crewton is right. Derby's case is much stronger than Wigan's. That isn't saying much it's true, as Wigan's really was a hopeless case.