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1 minute ago, Mick Brolly said:

The most over the top dramatic post ever 

I think this one tops it 😂

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

I'm dismissing people calling for the manager to be sacked or writing the season off after one meh game and one bad game. I stand by that. And even if it doesn't improve and we eventually do part ways with Warne, I will still stand by that because he deserves a bloody chance. 

But right now nobody knows whether it is the correct thing to do or not, if Paul warne went, someone else came in and we got promoted youd say they were right, on the other hand if we stick with Paul Warne and he gets us up then yeah those people will be proven wrong and you would have been right and im sure people would admit that, myself included, but as you say only time will tell, I just think that right now it's a bit naive to completely dismiss the idea and have this blinkered view that it's all going to turn around and that Paul warne (or any manager) should be immune from criticism 

3 minutes ago, Andicis said:

So it is based anecdotally from the Sheffield Wednesday game. You can't claim that we were making very similar errors, and then name one singular occasion related to a player who is no longer here. It's an almost brand new defensive unit, and none of the mistakes have been alike so far. Wildsmith flapped, Bradley under hit and who knows what Elder was thinking.

Your case is made on as many ifs, buts and maybes as mine. The whole point of my argument is that TIME will tell, and that getting worked up this early on in the season might be completely foolish if we then solidify our defence and cut the errors out going forwards. I don't have a crystal ball, nor do you. You're attempting to extrapolate two games out as if it is indicative of anything. 

But thats my point, you're saying time will tell, none of us have a crystal ball or know for certain, but what I'm getting at is its unfair to completely dismiss any opinion that doesn't match yours, when it could well be proved that the doubters or "numpties" as you call them could be correct, I just don't know why you're so adamant that you're right? When in reality you're just basing it all on hope, and last night there was no hope! I dont think you can blame people for having their doubts after what they've seen so far, it certainly doesn't mean that it's some personal attack on Paul Warne, last night we were dog s***, and people are entitled to be concerned and call people out for that 

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Did we make consistent unforced errors last year? I'd like to see numbers backing that point, or is it entirely anecdotal?

We've had a 3 really bad errors in 2 games, it's not good. Nelson also made a mistake vs Sheff Utd in preseason. But it's a brand new defensive unit, I think it'll settle down. 

You admit we've changed the defence, and yet you're surprised the players not yet accustomed to playing with each other are making errors? You think Warne told Wildsmith to flap at it? I don't think so. And I think if you were to make that point, you already have an agenda. 

Im not saying that no, what I'm saying is that even towards the end of last season (take the final game of the season for example) we were making very similar errors to what we have the last 2 games, and the defence had had the entire season together so obviously it isn't just a case of settling down, it's not an agenda at all, in merely pointing out the same flaws now that we're there last season, which as the manager is warned job to resolve, and based on what I've seen so far he hasn't yet, if anything we look worse

People are commenting on what has actually happened so far, that's fact, your argument is all based on ifs, buts and maybes, unless you have a crystal ball and you know for sure it's just a case of it settling down? 

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

We didn't look a mess Vs Wigan. People keep repeating it, it doesn't make it anymore true. We were fine against Wigan and more than matched them, and they are likely to be one of the stronger sides in the division. Last year on opening day we scraped past Oxford who were in my opinion a weaker team.

But the consistent unforced defensive errors, which stretch back to the end of last season too are what you would have expected of last seasons team after the summer we had, not of a team thats had proper preparation 

But people talk about them like it was only in the Wigan game, but its not, we saw it again last night, numerous times towards the end of last season, we've heavily strengthen the defence and its still happening now, at some point you have to look away from the players and consider maybe it's the way they're being coached or told to play do you not?  I think thats a fair point although you're entitled to disagree 

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

If that is true, (I don't believe it is) it's more of a damning indictment of our fans that anything. It is **TWO** games into a new season. With a new squad. Lots of teams start slowly, the meltdown is so overblown. 

Last season we had a team thrown together at the last minute, no real pre season and we didn't look anywhere near as much of a mess as we do now, so I can see why some people see that argument as a bit of a cop out 

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

Saturday was not the first or the last time we'll drop points this season. Every other team will drop points. Having a tantrum and screaming about Warne over one league defeat is unhelpful. And let's be real, that's mostly what this is. Some people have put valid concerns forward about style of play, but there are many people just using any excuse for a dig at Warne. 

We have 45 games to go. If we're good enough to go up, we've ample time to prove it. If we're not, then Warne has failed, and it was about more than just the Wigan game. 

Its not about having a dig at warne at all, im pretty sure if we were seeing the same things under any manager they would be getting the same criticism 

21 minutes ago, Andicis said:

The standards have been set by the club, sure.

That being said, we haven't failed to get promotion. People can speak up after 2 games (only one of which is actually the league), but realistically you come across as a bit of a numpty if you do so. The only change between now and the the beginning of the season is that we can't go undefeated and we can't win the Carabao cup. 

Many teams have started slowly and won promotion. Many teams have started well and not. There is holding the club to set the standard, and there is being reactionary. Realistically, only time will tell which goes for both sides. 

You say this but one game would have been the difference to us making the play offs last season, I dont get this attitude of "it's only one game" when it's clear that can be the difference between success or not 

I don't think deserved criticism of a poor team makes you a numpty, id say the absolute blind faith and the dismissing of the importance of picking up points does

17 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

What does it say about us when players are getting their heads turned by Hull city and Bristol ?  Players certainly aren’t bothered about playing in front of 29,000 every home game 

Or they just can't handle it

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

It's all relative. Bird did well compared with the rest of the midfield, and Cashin did well compared with Bradley and Nelson.

Take the highlights in isolation:

Blackpool attack #1: Nelson initially out of position on the left side of defence, drifts towards the middle and misses a clearance, then when back on the right he fails to put the effort in to jump up and challenge for the cross resulting in the goal. Throughout all this, Bradley may as well have stood on a 1p coins since he chose not to move at all.

Blackpool attack #2: Wilson loses is, Blackpool player skips through Smith. When the shot is struck, Cashin is the only CB who has managed to sprint back to our own box. Wilson (and Elder) put everything in to chase back, which helped Vickers in his 1v1, something Bradley didn't do vs Wigan

Blackpool attack #3: long ball down field. Cashin pressing high as instructed by Warne. No idea what Elder was thinking as he heads it. Nelson didn't follow his man the whole way, otherwise he could have either intercepted Elder's header, or at least put a challenge in on the forward who scored. Bradley watching play going on all around him.

 

Derby attack #1: Cashin passes to Hourihane who put a hopeless cross in the box behind the goal.

Derby attack #2: Bird dribbling up the pitch, feeds Waghorn who shoots just wide of the post.

Derby attack #3: Waghorn picks up the ball in the middle, find Thompson who plays a perfectly weighted first time pass to Ward despite surrounded by 3 men. Ward feeds Washington with a through ball who shoots straight at the keeper

I understand that, but when everyone else you're comparing them too were hopeless it's just not much of a measure of performance is it?  I don't think that means cashin and bird played well, they just didn't play as bad as everyone else, first half I mean  

3 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Certainly Bird.  Cashin 2nd half 

Im not saying you're not entitled to that opinion, im just genuinely interested to know how how anyone drew anything positive from that first half or particularly thinks that someone played well in it? 

Just now, Curtains said:

Yes

Okay, id have to disagree

They did the basics better, nothing more, id say they were average at best, did you honestly walk away from the game thinking "bloody hell, bird and cashin were good tonight"? 

17 minutes ago, Curtains said:

If Warne was talking about Max and Cash he’s wrong .Both put a shift in and did well 

I think that's a bit of a stretch mate, yes they showed more effort second half no denying that, but to say they performed well? Do you really believe that? 

4 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

In which direction 😂

Bradley also said in his interview when he signed that he doesn't want to play in league one, that's showing already 😂

4 minutes ago, Jubbs said:

Get Lee Carsley on the phone.

To play in midfield? He fits the age bracket we're going for I guess 

Im not saying we will, but if things dont improve massively from last night we could quite easily lose our next 4 games, they're all tough, and then I just don't see any way that Warne stays, id like to be proven wrong but I'm just going off what I saw last night 

3 minutes ago, EraniosSocks said:

Can’t wait for the drivel this evening. 
 

“ Yeah you know we looked great in parts didn’t we” 

 

B tech Ricky Gervais 

Do you think he'll be "really pleased"? 😴

Just now, RoyMac5 said:

 

Its alright, just give him 10 more games 😴😂

4 minutes ago, Kernow said:

At least the football isn't the worst thing about tonight, some of these posts man, Jesus Christ.

Obviously it isn't good, but you get s*** results in the first round of this cup every season. Gillingham are 3-0 up vs Southampton. There's also another 7 Championship teams who aren't beating lower league opposition.

We've played one league game where we shot ourselves in the foot twice but could've taken the 3 points on any other day. The transfer window has 3 weeks left. Of course I'm not happy with the start of the season but I don't need my nappy changing just yet. Some have been through a whole pack of Pampers this evening alone.

No doubt Southampton weren't playing their strongest starting 11, we were, which is the concern 

1 minute ago, admira said:

Potential second defeat in consecutive matches v teams who were in the championship last year. 

Waaaaay too early to hit the panic button. 

So what if we get beat by Burton at the weekend? 

1 minute ago, NottsRam77 said:

Hes not 

but some people here are relentless and almost itching for us to lose to make their point 

its tiresome quite frankly rather they just fd off and watched forest if theyre just going to bitch and moan at every turn 

Or maybe those people have a valid point? Do you consider that? 

I dont understand why for some Paul Warne is immune from any criticism, its bizarre 

There's no defending this first half, absolute rubbish 

Where are all the blind optimists that were out in force Saturday night? 

3 minutes ago, Ram a lamb a ding dong said:

An opening day defeat should serve us better than a 5-0 win 

Really? 😂