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5 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

2019 Bogle

Says it all that you've had put a year in front of his name.

Sounds ridiculous, but Rooney's lack of experience is probably what's keeping him at the club. An experienced manager wouldn't suffer the same - and wouldn't have attracted Jagielka/Morrison to the club.

I don't think Rooney is brilliant or great but got to admire him for what he is doing for the club during an awful period.

And if/when it passes we could actually have a very good manager. Sink or swim scenario.

He'll play for five years and be voted our greatest ever player.

This is Derby County!

44 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

I would add this shows an utter lack of imagination from the management and scouting teams on who we're looking to be bringing in. Are we really saying there are no better targets in the free agent market than a bloke whose made around 110 appearances in the past 10 years and has been released from every club he's played for permanently after failing to make an impact on the first team.

Yes, everyone knows about Ravel Morrison in the football world. He's burned through his English footballing bridges in the top 2 divisions so went to Holland for a smaller top division team and once again got released...  Could they not think of anyone else who they might be able to pick up on 11,500 a week apart from this repeated failure?

I'm all for us taking risks on players (after-all what other choice do we have) but they've got to be considered, measured and we need to be looking in places for gems that others haven't thought of.  The club should not be gambling i.e., ill considered, very low percentage moves that are extremely likely to fail. This strikes me as the latter not the former.  If Alex Ferguson, Chris wilder, warburton, warnock etc. can't get a tune out of him I don't think it's realistic to think we can either. It's a very high risk move that is the definition of a gamble and not something we should be considering unless there are no other realistic options. 

You are right. If theres ever a time to scan non-league and employ more scouts (ideally ones with eyes) its now. Cut cloth accordingly.

Could be the ideal team for him to walk into. We're that crap and lacking any form of spark that he could be given a free role to show off. If nothing else it gives the fans something to clap and massages his ego.

God knows if he's fit and strong enough to compete though.

11 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

For the last time. When Rooney has had a pre-season and some opportunity to sign/loan players then judge him.

Wow! ?

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

 Which did I say, we had a top 10 squad or we'd have one when Cocu left? ? I find that impossible to believe I said that when we had NO striker. No Martin.

You said the squad was good enough and should be in the top ten. It was all Cocu’s fault.

6 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

Yep. Cocu didn't get English football and certainly not the standard of players to be found at Championship level.

The squad we had when Cocu managed to get us to 10th, was that the same one he started last season with then? 

No, you said at the time Cocu left that we had a top 10 squad and we’d all see that once he’d left.

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

You're talking about Rooney there aren't you? ?

As for on the cusp of turning it round, thank goodness that will be another of the great unknowns to rank with Clough Jnr was taking us up when Mac took over. ?

Rooney is such a novice that he brought in was it five loan players? one more than can actually be in the first team squad. Genius.

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

You're talking about Rooney there aren't you? ?

As for on the cusp of turning it round, thank goodness that will be another of the great unknowns to rank with Clough Jnr was taking us up when Mac took over. ?

I remember you putting all the blame on Cocu and saying we have a top ten squad that he couldn't get a tune out of. I disagreed and said it was a terrible squad - to which your reply was 'we will see when Cocu's gone'.

You'd still rather have Rooney and Rosenior chopping and changing the team over Cocu wouldn't you!

Hopefully hanging around waiting for us to have decent owners with a bit of money to spend.

The bloke was never as bad as Derby made him look. Took over what looked like a good club with a plan. Must have been shocked to find what he did. Then just as he started to make a bit of money off players to buy ones he wanted we sacked him for a complete novice.

So in a nutshell with gave a young coach with loads of contacts in the game a poor squad, a squad which was equally as bad at drinking as they were playing football, no money to spend, then got rid when he was on the cusp of turning it around. And replaced him with two complete clowns who need money to spend to give them half a chance. Brilliant.

It will always wind me up.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat. Rooney's presence undermined him so its unfair to say he was a bad coach.

If I were him I'd commit crimes in that Derby County training wear.

6 minutes ago, angieram said:

I disagree.

Also, what are you going to buy those lower league players with? You can't use the money you would have spent on the academy as it would affect FFP. 

Good point. I will refer back to U15s upwards then.

I see little point in having U10s-U14s teams. So much changes between the age of 9 and 15. I think you've every chance of picking better developed players off the park when they're physically developed.

That's how it used to be.

The academy isn't worth what it costs to run. Its produced very little in terms of returns on the pitch or at the bank.

Should at the very least be changed to U15s upwards but I'd scrap it altogether and use the money to scout lower league players.

Plus we got Cocu in to develop the whole Derby way and then just as it looked like he'd start making money off youth players he left.

While I agree football is broken and salary caps should be applied, the Premier League isn't going to change anytime soon. If it did it wouldn't attract the players it currently does and another country will take advantage.

And just because we're rubbish doesn't mean we can start moaning about relegated teams having an advantage. In 2007 we won the 'biggest prize' in English football, spent next to nothing and came back down with parachute payments. We also appointed Paul Jewell.

Ten years on - In 2017 Norwich appointed a manager, we could have surely attracted ourselves, who's taken them up twice in that time, making the club considerably better off than before he took over. In the same year we re-appointed a manager who failed to get us promoted, after we'd sacked a manager who spent millions on what turned out to be poor value for money.

So no point moaning about things out of our control. Just wish for an owner who makes some sensible and calculated decisions, and a manager who builds a team on a sensible budget.

21 hours ago, Mckram said:

A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Don’t get me wrong I was annoyed when Will Hughes only went for £4m or whatever it was, but if Watford were the only club in for him and the manager didn’t want him, what can Mel do?

Nothing. So what's the point in the Academy if you keeping changing managers and ideas? Might as well bin it off. Its costing far more than we ever will recoup.

Has Mel put us on eBay yet? or Shpock as he doesn't have to pay a fee using that.

Using 'The Derby Way' as an excuse for sacking a manager was as embarrassing as him being on Talksport almost goading everyone else.

He's tried to be clever and its backfired. But hey we have a really good academy that produces loads of talent (we inevitably sell for £10+ a bag of sweets).

On ‎08‎/‎05‎/‎2021 at 15:02, GeneralRam said:

Absolutely agree we should stick with Rooney.

If he was good enough on day 1, he’s good enough now.

He just needs some resources to use.

Same applied to Cocu.

I hope we sign enough to keep us up without spending silly money. This is not the season to be silly. No need.

Let the new owners settle in and start the new season with fans in the ground and some statement signings.

4 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

you tell me, you said they had better squads.?

They’re all performing.

The three relegated Prem teams are all stronger. Blackburn, Swansea, Bristol, off the top of my head.

You can’t just say we’re a Top 6 squad and blame Cocu for that not being the case. They’re not performing and it can equally be because as a group they’re mentally weak, cant adapt, don’t play for each other let alone the manager.

We will see though. You might be right. I could be wrong.

28 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

Prove it...

How? What’s the rules here? Opta stats? Fat percentage?
 

*FIFA 20 stats not allowed. Just in case you’re 14 years old.

6 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

with this squad,  yes.

No. The squad is average at best. Lawrence (1 in 10) is classed as one of our better players. No striker. Waghorn needs several clear cut chances. We don’t know how good Joswiak is yet. Bielik on paper is a £10m player. The kids are what they are, kids, learning all the time.

How is it a Top 6 squad? There’s a lot more than five clubs with better squads than Derby.

Forget Rooney exists. It’s not a strong squad.

5 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

We have so many experts on here, it must be so easy this football management lark.

It’s not but a lot seemed to think Cocu should have us in the Top 6 didn’t they ?

21 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Boro.

Realised I’d missed them after but my point still stands. His win percentage is only above 50 with Twente and Derby stint 1.

2 minutes ago, ram59 said:

It could be argued that premac1 with Jim Smith was the best football  in over 40 years which came to an end when he left for Man U. How much was down to him or Smith, is unknown, but the magic left soon after Mac. He was considered ahead of his time then, nut that was 25 years ago and football has changed and would it work now?

I don’t know. We’re more QPR when he took over there than the Derby team he inherited from Clough.

He could be as successful or awful as anyone else at this point.

And while Rooney is at the club it’s irrelevant. He holds all the cards now and he knows it too. Whoever comes in will have to agree with him. He missed a major competition with England under McClaren - you know where the blame will lie if it doesn’t work.