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I think you’re right in your first statements but the lack of long term planning and investment rather depends on having the cash. Which as a nation we don’t have anymore. This has little to do with the current crop of property people but much more to do with the fact that we don’t have industry that exports thus binging real money in to the economy. How we resolve that in the face of competition from outside the old western sphere, who don’t have our welfare systems tolerance or “kindness” I don’t know. 
 
Think this topic needs to go to the pub ?

Mentioned by @Eoghan1884 in the retained list thread, the Mirror fella on X saying Rovrum are interested in Sibley. Suspect it’s the same as me being interested in Keira Knightley, she’s not necessarily going to reciprocate that desire…..but there’s a slim chance, isn’t there?! 😭 

Middlesbrough? Harlow? Rochester? 
Plenty of dumps that aren't diverse or multi-cultural too. What they have in common is higher levels of deprivation.

There's a huge difference between living somewhere and going there on a short break. I think Blackpool is crazy fun for a couple of days but you couldn't pay me enough to live there. Portsmouth, with the naval museum and refurbished shopping area by the Spinaker is actually a really interesting place to visit, but again I'd live in a hundred places in the UK before it.
Undeniably, Derby suffers from inner city decline but then so does every single town or city in the country. It's our changing way of living, the influx of shopping malls and move to online purchasing. I live near Stratford Upon Avon, even they have so many closed shops it is sad to behold. If they can't make a go of the visitor economy then nobody can.

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

I love Derby. Lived here all my life. 
I like that it looks like a giant industrial unit. I wish there was more cladding. Derby gets stuff done. How long have they been messing around in Barcelona with that Sagrada Familia? Get some cladding on it, boom! Done. 
Thankfully the IntuWestfieldOn is slowly killing off all that old stuff. Cathedral quarter is soooo boring compared to the vibrant expandy foam shopping paradise and it's 10 mile shadow. 
Sometimes I go shopping in Notts or we go to laugh at their castle and boast to the locals about our new velodrome corned beef can. They have these silly things going on all the time in the square and it's just so tragic. I feel sorry for them. They'll never know what it's like to navigate the potholes into Derby town and experience the 3 light xmas turn on or even just enjoy lunch while taking in the views outside the Asbestos Rooms. In summer they have a beach. But we have a fountain all year round!! Water not included 
All cities have ran down areas. Derby doesn't. We just have area. I've lived here all my life and I enjoy the potholes as much as anyone. I have faith in our police to protect McDonalds from speeding motorists. Whether I'm in a 16 hour traffic jam because one car broke down or whether I'm taking my tools into yet another HMO, I find the smell of cannabis relaxing.
Some people say a lot of the money invested in Derby has offered no improvements for years. To those people I say where were you when they spent a few mil changing the exit/entry points to parking in Alvaston? 
We went to P'boro not long back. Didn't expect much and after a nice stroll around the Cathedral and sitting out having some food in the square I thought about how I miss the 20ft rings that "symbolise Derby like Big Ben symbolises London"

I watched a programme about North Philadelphia USA last night...fcuking wow...Derby is a Paradise compared to that place, My council tax goes to South Derby's district council, I use all Derby City Council facilities 😊 
Derby is just a little tired looking, City council planning is now more focussed on building multi story blocks of apartments to pull the cash in, An eyesore...imo is the one on Victoria street so so out of place, The one on Gower street is a tip, The old DRI where there's a new development are being snapped up by buyers so they can let them, Already complaints of owners/tenants at loggerheads.
Green lane has gone down hill if you walk from the top of it 😁 drug users at the top of it, Empty shops at the bottom, Saint Peter's street to Irongate is the main thoroughfare you cant help but notice the beer swillers on the benches opposite East street.
No Derby is no sh!t hole far from it.
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”      
 

That’s the thing about these lists. I quite like Chester but I’ve only been to a tiny proportion of the cities in the world (as I suspect many people surveyed have) so I can’t really compare it.
Also, beauty (or prettiness) in the eye of the beholder. If I compare Chester to some of the cities I have been to then it still wouldn’t rank as the prettiest - ranking behind Bruges, Carcasonne, Lucca and Verona without thinking too hard.

I hate these lists. 
One list of the 15 most beautiful cities to visit in the UK actually includes Nottingham, but doesn’t include Chester, my home town. 
Chester was recently voted the prettiest city in the WORLD, ahead of Venice. 
Derby has plenty to offer, trust me. 

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

The decline of so many cities in the UK is heartbreaking to see.
Derby isn't particularly worse than any city of a similar profile or heritage in the UK.
 

I think he means, before you might join the independent pitchfork brigade that Roy founded a while back. There’s one particularly good example of such a tool, in his barn, with PW’s name on it and he’s polishing the tines and putting linseed oil on the shaft ready for the new season when emotions run high. 

I think he means, before you might join the independent pitchfork brigade that Roy founded a while back. There’s one particularly good example of such a tool, in his barn, with PW’s name on it and he’s polishing the tines and putting linseed oil on the shaft ready for the new season when emotions run high. 

Difficult to be precise. It would depend on our league position at the time, the stage of the season, past recent results, how we have been playing across a number of matches, who the opposition were. 
it would be a rational decision, not knee jerk, patience has virtues as last season showed. It would certainly not come from existing beliefs or any particular preset agenda.

But we both know that 2 losses in a row and the pitchforks will be out. 

Difficult to be precise. It would depend on our league position at the time, the stage of the season, past recent results, how we have been playing across a number of matches, who the opposition were. 
it would be a rational decision, not knee jerk, patience has virtues as last season showed. It would certainly not come from existing beliefs or any particular preset agenda.

Difficult to be precise. It would depend on our league position at the time, the stage of the season, past recent results, how we have been playing across a number of matches, who the opposition were. 
it would be a rational decision, not knee jerk, patience has virtues as last season showed. It would certainly not come from existing beliefs or any particular preset agenda.

But we both know that 2 losses in a row and the pitchforks will be out. 

I don’t know where KM gets his figures from or if they’re any more or less accurate than the following which shows how the wages at the parachute payments clubs distorts the average. These estimates seem to suggest that the median is somewhere around £13m. (Note, I’m not vouching for these figures, just sharing what I found).
 
It’s a sad reflection of the impact the parachute payments have on the competitiveness of the Championship that most year (I guess as I’ve not checked) only 1 non parachute club is likely to get promoted.
Here’s how the Championship annual wages for the upcoming break down for the upcoming 2023-24 campaign. The numbers are via Capology and are only estimates.
1. Leicester City – £60,190,000
2. Southampton – £40,014,000
3. Leeds United – £39,513,000
4. Norwich City – £24,196,000
5. West Bromwich Albion – £23,060,000
6. Cardiff City – £19,444,000
7. Stoke City – £18,340,000
8. Watford – £14,952,000
9. Sheffield Wednesday – £14,584,000
10. Middlesbrough – £13,582,000
11. Birmingham City – £13,228,000
12. Bristol City – £12,894,000
13. Hull City – £12,333,200
14. Swansea City – £12,276,000
15. Queens Park Rangers – £12,020,000
16. Ipswich Town – £11,378,000
17. Preston North End – £10,942,200
18. Coventry City – £10,008,000
19. Millwall – £9,856,000
20. Huddersfield Town – £9,258,000
21. Sunderland – £9,150,000
22. Blackburn Rovers – £7,678,000
23. Rotherham United – £6,674,000
24. Plymouth Argyle – £6,060,000

Must be a few.  Possibly time to start saying you can have the money but have to have a legacy of starting on minus points for every X amount of million you take.  If not, Ipswich will be very much the exception.   Bournemouth had a  wage bill of about 71 million and 60 million quid of forwards last time around with a 9k attendance.  It's gone crazy. 

Also a real test for some of our impatient fans, not you obviously 🙂

Not sure what you’re trying to say with the title. 
I think you’re just saying our budget has gone from the top to perhaps the middle. Whilst that’s true, I’m not sure I’d use the word “restricted” as that’s misleading. 

Never too early for doom and gloom on this site Jimbo! You should know that by now 😂😂 Plenty of drama queens on here!