Rampage

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

I think it’s when the admins reckon there is no realistic prospect of the club continuing as a going concern.

i e if they conclude that there is no buyer who is willing to pay enough to clear MSD, football creditors, 25% of unsecureds and whatever HMRC settles for plus the admins costs 

What is your best guess as to how much would then be.

Why would EFL not be more interested in making sure that Derby County avoid liquidation over all other options. If they were they could allow us to be taken over and then remove nine points when we have avoided liquidation. Okay it would mean that we would be sold for less money and creditors would get less or repayments could be rescheduled over a longer period. The letter if the law against the spirit of the law. Obviously if we avoid relegation then another club who did get relegated would have a major grievance but they already have a twelve point start on us.

If foresight has been applied about what would happen if we do not taken over, from the moment Mel decided that he would like it to happen, how would the present situation be the likely foreseeable result of it.

1 hour ago, rammieib said:

Agreement on points deduction, let's say 12 all in optimistically and no more threats of other deductions.

Full agreement with all creditors on total debt payable.

Full agreement on payment profile to MSD Holdings.

Full and sole ownership of the stadium and training ground.

Full understanding of the monthly subsidy required to support operating cashflow.

£30m to cover debt, £1 to take ownership of above, owners put in immediate guarantee of £15m operating cash.

 

I think the EFL points deduction is the biggest obstacle, followed by HMRC agreement.

Thanks rammieib

3 minutes ago, rammieib said:

Plus future guaranteed cash flow inbound such as the Bogle transfer. Dont need to look at it all as one way outgoings.

Can someone have a fairly informed guess what the eventual buyer might actually pay up front.

18 minutes ago, Hordh said:

I don't think there is any reset, financial restrictions will carry over to any new owner, no matter how rich they are as you say. So, historic losses are still going to count, unless of course there is liquidation and a new phoenix club is formed. 

So what is the least that the club could be sold for. £1 plus 25% of debts plus outstanding tax bill plus contracted staggered debts on players and Cocu. Just a guess.

14 minutes ago, Hordh said:

I don't think there is any reset, financial restrictions will carry over to any new owner, no matter how rich they are as you say. So, historic losses are still going to count, unless of course there is liquidation and a new phoenix club is formed. 

Just take the fuse out of the liquidator.

Other than the administrators and the buyer who else has any input into the price that we can be sold for. I suppose possible write offs by Mel might be included. Is 25% of all debt a minimum price.

4 hours ago, BucksRam said:

And you can see them all here: https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2019/05/Derby-countys-wembley-history

I think that you were supposed to guess.

10 minutes ago, GenBr said:

Why would either play give us more of a cutting edge? Bielik is a fantastic player who may contribute a couple of goals, but he is ultimately defensive in nature.

And whilst i love Kazim he has never been profilic either for us or anybody else. 

We look a different time with those two on form. If Bielik dominates the midfield then we are on the front foot but still defensively good 

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

FTFY, sadly. 

I meant to say- in a couple of games time.

Kristian and Colin back in a couple of games time will hopefully gives us much more of a cutting edge. If they can stay fit then we have no obvious weaknesses in our first eleven. We will be well covered in defence and in midfield but short of one striker and a couple of wingers 

We could solve the -9 points dilemma in five minutes by accepting it but it would not be ideal.

Surely the takeover groups must realise that we may lose key players at Xmas if they do not buy us soon.

22 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

It isn't a different issue. What the club spent money on and what it should have spent money on are the same issue.

Unbelievable value from the players that Wayne got for nothing recently

29 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

I can't recall any team which had long-term success playing the way we do. You ideally need to play in a progressive manner if you really want to succeed. But I can fully understand why we don't. If we had quicker defenders, perhaps we would play a higher line and press more. But Rooney is playing in a way which protects our goal first and foremost.

Whether it will get us out of trouble I don't know. We've only won 2 home games from six despite our competitive nature. That isn't great and certainly won't be enough to keep us up with the points deduction.

I vaguely remember Leicester going down in the Championship despite having one of the best defensive records.

If you can't score goals, I think you're going to be in trouble. Because it only takes one poor decision from an official, one mistake at the back, one 25-yard screamer or one huge slice of misfortune and the three points can escape you.

 

 

 

We only have to beat three teams having given them a 12 point start. Another -9 is another matter. EFL give us a stay on the -9 , we get taken over, we get some players then we get the -9 then we go down, then we come back up. Simples. Most people are happy but not our fans.

1 hour ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

Didn’t Rooney say CKR and Bieliek back very soon? 
 

This IMO is the key to us scoring more and also keeping the defence as strong as possible. 

He also seemed to say that we are going to out a few past a team soon 

Any prospective owners must be seriously impressed with our fan base, the team spirit and the way that Wayne is conducting the proceedings. Taking over a team that is dispirited and s fan base that does not get behind the team would be very off-putting in my opinion. No doubt in my mind that we will stay up if we do not get the extra -9. When the going gets tough the Rams get going. COYR 

On 02/10/2021 at 17:16, Carl Sagan said:

A quarter of the way through the season, it must be a first for the Championship for the league leaders and the team in bottom place to have the joint best defensive records, having conceded only 8 goals in 11 games (the same as Bournemouth). Given all the constraints Rooney has been operating under, it's a remarkable stat. We reach the international break with defensive players Jagielka, Stearman and Bielik injured so it's fair to say we are down to the bare bones, but we now have two weeks to lick our wounds and recharge our batteries.

The flipside of this coin is that we are also the joint lowest scorers in the division, along with Barnsley, hitting the net only 7 times in 11 matches. Our injured strike force sees Colin Kazim-Richards and Sam Baldock sidelined, so our only fit striker today was Jack Stretton, a 20 year old rookie.

The old adage is to build from the back and Rooney has done that impressively, and has given us a great platform we can build on for the rest of the season. But do we need to carry greater attacking threat if we are to survive, even if that is at the expense of our defensive stability? If the answer is yes, how do we do that most effectively?

I think the answer needs to be yes. If we don't start scoring more goals, I expect us to go down, even with "only" a 12 point deduction.

You do not seem as positive these days Carl. We must enjoy the wonderful team spirit that Wayne has engendered. Long time since our team worked so hard. Focus on the games and just ignore the rest of it which we cannot alter. We have the best fans in this league. The whole of the country has noticed our plight and our response to it. COYR

46 minutes ago, sage said:

Now it's £153m I wish I could say I was sensible enough not to try and buy the club. I'd have to put £3m to one side for after the ineviatble poo show,

It is only money. What is the least that the club can be bought for if we owe £153million for it to go through if Mel lets us have what we owe him for free.

Using his experience to the full. I thought that he was past it. Far from it. Keep it up Fozziesta.

6 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

But that set up will see us concede a lot…

Just score more than them. Oh wait a minute. That set up was not my idea. My plan is to keep the same plan but take more of our chances.

3 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Sorry, still don’t get that formation, to play with wing backs you need 3 at the back….

We need to win games not just get draws. Three draws is the same as one win.

Both goalkeepers look very good now. 

On 29/09/2021 at 11:40, TuffLuff said:

I don’t know what this means, but there you go

Wsge reduction maybe.