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19 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

I backed Paul Warne all of last season , even when we were out of the top 6. I like him as a person and do not find him irritating. However if we don’t pick up 15 pts from the first 10 games next season or lose 5 games on the bounce - I think he could be toast . 

I think that we would be well happy with 15pts from the first 10 games, that's on course for 69 points over the season and a probable top 10 finish. A point a game will be ok for the first ten games, whilst the new team are settling in, before pushing on for the remainder of the season.

Going to the first match after relegation to Lg1 is a most depressing moment to fans of most teams, but for us, it was the joy and relief that we still had a team to support and a hope that we would never take that for granted again. Watching our players come out of the tunnel to start that game was really emotional, realising how close we were to losing it all.

Unsurprisingly, Villa are amongst 6 Premier clubs, the other 5 being forest, fester, Everton, Newcastle and Chelsea, who need to sell players before the June 30th deadline, to comply with FFP.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to them that between them they need to offload tens of millions of pounds worth of players and that there are a limited number of clubs out there with spare funds available from their 23/24 accounts year. It's going to be a buyers' market out there and teams like forest should realise that they're going to struggle to get what they want for these players or will have to let go players that they would rather keep. 

Now the Premier League have set a precedent, maybe they will think that a £35m excessive loss is worth a 4 point penalty, if it means keeping a top player.

9 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Forget that lot , we now know what Warne is aiming for . We should be talking to Callum O’Hare , on a free from Coventry . Luton  want him , they have parachute money but come on ! 

I think that he'll be after a Premier league team and their money.

3 minutes ago, ossieram said:

No losses or draws. 

But 0 xg!🙄

Looking at the number of players released by Premier clubs, there's going to be a few of the younger players who could kick on at the right club. Hopefully, we could pick one up at a sensible wage.

On 30/05/2024 at 09:30, BaaLocks said:

 

- Wildsmith should have been sent off against Oxford, after that we're never coming back to win it

Wildsmith shouldn't have been sent off against Oxford, if a player commits a foul in the penalty area whilst making a genuine effort to play the ball, then a penalty and a yellow card is the correct decision. A ref can only give a penalty and a red card if he feels that the foul is cynical with no attempt to play the ball. Wildsmith just mistimed his challenge.

14 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Burnley spent a £100 mill on players after they stormed the Championship last time . They still couldn’t stay up . If we got up next season , would fans be happy with taking the money but having another 11 pt season ?

I didn't realise that they'd spent so much, as you say, the gamble didn't pay off. Their parachute payments will be taken up paying for all those signings and their wages.

5 minutes ago, Wolfie said:

Home vs Sheff Wed first game.

Seem to remember this happening a few times before

Derby v dirties on the Friday night at Sky's request is highly likely. 

1 hour ago, BathRam72 said:

Do football clubs get to request anything? (genuine question)

Yes, I've heard that they do. They can request away fixtures to avoid clashes with big local events. 

I believe that Shrewsbury used to request an away game on the weekend of the big local flower show, for instance.

2 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Sounds exactly like the bankers. "Look at all the extra profits we made you". Until they turned out not to be there. Just like premier League profits.

That's down to clubs like forest and villa spending a fortune to stay up, I would imagine that Burnley, Luton and Sheff Utd all made a tidy profit from their season in the Premier. It's not down to the players and their agents, how the club capitalise on their success.

Premier league clubs only made a loss due to ridiculous spending on players, the clubs had combined operating profits of £460m and £459m in 20/21 and 21/22 seasons.

44 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Or how to stop players and/or agents demanding huge bonuses for doing their jobs.

As bad as bankers......

In fairness, they're not just doing their jobs, they're excelling at their jobs by gaining promotion and earning their club in excess of a £100m. If you're on of a number of players who earn your club a £100m bonus, it's not unreasonable to expect to share a £10-20m share of that money. Where it becomes irresponsible, is when these players earn vast fortunes for achieving nothing.

It looks bad on promoted clubs' accounts during their promotion season but these bonuses are paid out against future earnings in the Premier. I suppose that the EFL must take these bonuses off the clubs' losses when assessing for FFP. However, the Premier league will include these losses when they assess the clubs in future seasons.

11 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

They will be quite a way off. The wage bill from last season will be in excess of £20m and if it isn’t then I would be surprised to see it any less than £18m. 

Typical rule of thumb is 70% towards first-team costs, so that’s between £12-14m for us.

The first team squad wage bill was only £7m, the rest of the wages in 22/23 was not first team player related, probably made up from coaching staff, admin, Moor Farm staff and young players, matchday staff, etc. Allowing for a modest increase, 23/24 first team wage bill should be around £10m.

Maybe he'd be in the squad if he'd had an impressive season in a promotion winning team, rather than a struggling relegation team?

26 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Did the king of Spain open their stadium.

He didn't open Pride Park, either.😉

16 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

He doesn’t score goals, where would they come from in our midfield?

Adams only that one goal last season, but he's had a number of goal bound shots blocked by excellent defending. 

He seems to have good technique and could have easily ended with 4 or 5 goals to his name. None of his attempts were corner flag jobs, all had pace and accuracy.

A bit of rub of the green and I could see him with 8 to 10 goals over a season.

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

That’s right , they have to sell another £50 mill player before the end of June . However , having an owner with unlimited funds they can spend £100 mill after July and get away with it , similar to Newcastle . Man C are the biggest P takers . All their trophies should be put in the Bin .

Unfortunately, that's the flaw in the system, although a club can 'only' lose £35m per season, there is nothing to stop them spending £200m on players for the season as long as they offload enough players after the season finishes and before their year end on 30th June. So, if the owner has megabucks, they can effectively operate during the actual playing season at a massive loss, several times the supposed limit. It would only fall apart if their players were to consistantly to fall in value massively.

It would be interesting to read Bayern's forums and see what their fans think about appointing a manager from a club just relegated from the Premier league.

1 hour ago, BaaLocks said:

To quote the commentary from Barry Davies "I have a strong suspicion that Nish was onside but there were seven or eight players offside and the ref is entitled to say they were interfering with play". It was a tough one, but it was far from the worse decision that has ever gone against us.

I didn't realise that Barry Davies was the font of all knowledge, he may have had a point of Nish was receiving a pass from another player but he was effectively 'dribbling' the ball through the United defence. The only way the players in an offside position could have been interfering with play is if they were playing like NFL blockers and impeding the United defenders.

29 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

Google is your friend 😉They borrowed massive amounts of money to buy players under the American Manager March and end of June is payback time 

A hop onto their forum will tell you that they are expecting to lose all their better players and don’t expect to be able to spend any money. FFP could hit them as well. 

If they have to sell their players before the end of June, the prices will be lower in a fire sale, just ask forest. How many big teams will still have big bucks still available from this season's accounts?

On 15/05/2024 at 14:03, BaaLocks said:

Nish: eight Derby players offside in a line, pretty hard to suggest at least one of them was not interfering with play. Harsh one, but it was hardly the worst decision ever.

 

For them to be offside, there has to be a pass made, there was no pass, just a kick and chase after by Nish. If a player dribbles past the last defender and scores, it doesn't matter how many of his team mates are offside unless they're actually interfering with the keeper.

This was a genius bit of play by Nish counteracting a well known Man U tactic and it was 100% wrong to be pulled up for it.

Plymouth were probably the favourites to go down before they signed Rooney, so anything other than being bottom would be a success. Plymouth only stayed up because of their good start to the season, they were in freefall since Xmas.

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

3 of those clubs had a higher wage bill than we've ever had in our entire history.

Forest made a £45.6m loss in their promotion season due to a £58.6m wage bill.

Burnley had a £53.6m wage bill and lost £27m despite being in their 1st year with parachute payments.

Brentford made a loss of £9m after selling players for £44.3m due to a £41.4m wage bill.

It just goes to show that even teams who appear to be sensible, show their true colours when the accounts are published 12 months later. 

A recent survey showed that the average wage bill of teams promoted was over £60m, completely unsustainable for non parachute teams.

9 hours ago, Simmo’s left foot said:

Yes indeed. Amazingly there are still people here who think the way forward is for owners to throw money at it. Incredible.

Unfortunately, the way to get promoted to the premier is to generally throw money at it. We are the only club who failed and got punished. Time and time again clubs have been promoted by throwing money at it and have avoided punishment, the list is very long, Villa, Fester, Bournemouth twice, QPR, Watford, etc.

Clubs doing it the 'right way' are few and far between.

3 minutes ago, ColonelBlimp said:

Does anyone know when the season cards get posted?

Usually in the last 2 weeks before the season starts. But you have to use your current card unless you're a new season ticket holder or changing seat or age category.