Anon

I lose nothing by waiting for a criminal conviction. A conviction that will surely be forthcoming with the plethora of evidence amassed by C4 and The Times.

When you write "have a think about what they say", can you clarify exactly what you mean? Given that it has already been established that no one in this thread has declared Brand innocent. I absolutely will not believe accusations without proof. I do not care if that upsets anyone. Thank you for the lesson in empathy though, I have never before considered that a thing I'm discussing could potentially effect me or my family.

8 million pounds... just imagine what we could've spent that on.
 
 
 
2 Jacob Butterfields. 

8 million pounds... just imagine what we could've spent that on.
 
 
 
2 Jacob Butterfields. 

I know this is easy to say with the benefit of hindsight, but I was always worried about our bowling attack this season. Considering we often struggled to take the 20 wickets required to win games last season, I did wonder how many were so bombastic about our chances with only the addition of Chappell. This season has been one of the most toothless bowling attacks I can recall. What do people think of how the side is shaping up for next season? Who do you tip as leading wicket taker next year?

Lampard would've started Macken in this game.
West Brom, Play off final, 2007

8 million pounds... just imagine what we could've spent that on.
 
 
 
2 Jacob Butterfields. 

8 million pounds... just imagine what we could've spent that on.
 
 
 
2 Jacob Butterfields. 

Is this away at Anfield? 98?

Is this away at Anfield? 98?

Appeal to emotion isn't a particularly effective tactic.

Appeal to emotion isn't a particularly effective tactic.

Appeal to emotion isn't a particularly effective tactic.

So, what level of collateral damage in terms of wrongful convictions do you deem acceptable? Is 2% ok? Since you've become enlightened and decided that judicial process is unnecessary how many innocent people are you prepared to jail to boost the rape conviction rate?

I was particularly unimpressed with the Andrew Sachs debacle. I felt that both Brand and Ross behaved appallingly.

I was particularly unimpressed with the Andrew Sachs debacle. I felt that both Brand and Ross behaved appallingly.

Whilst I would agree that the current judicial system isn't the best, we can't have trial by media and everyone has to be assumed innocent until proven guilty.  Nice to see those that believe that in this thread being called out as morons 🫤
Whilst I've never cared for Russell Brand, a self confessed womanizer, narcissist and all round general t**t imo, until these accusations are submitted to the Police and have been investigated thoroughly, it could just be seen as another #metoo moment in which lots of men were wrongly accused. 
FWIW, if he is found guilty then I hope he spends a long time in prison.  If not, I'd question why this was plastered all over the media and immediately twisted into another left vs right argument.  Everything these days is so divisive - there can be no nuance.
Finally, that Enliven Project graph has been around a long time was heavily criticized at the time.  Even the author admitted errors in the graph and it was to be used more as a 'conversation starter'.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/01/the-enliven-project-s-false-rape-accusations-infographic-great-intentions-but-it-isn-t-accurate.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/09/the-truth-about-a-viral-graphic-on-rape-statistics/

I was particularly unimpressed with the Andrew Sachs debacle. I felt that both Brand and Ross behaved appallingly.

I just found the way he talked about women in his comedy disgusting , the stunt with the granddaughter of the actor from faulty towers was beyond disgusting amongst many other stunts , he s pretty much everything I find stomach churning in a bloke , that said I’ve been open enough to state right off the bat that I’m fully aware that this does not make me best placed to judge how much is witch-hunt for his outspoken position on political issues ( not really seen any of his stuff as I avoid him but it’s out there that he is taking certain positions quite loudly to a fair sized number of followers) and the msn now which I’m pretty sure comes into play and I’ve stated my concern re trial by media 🤷🏻‍♂️

When you write "have a think about what they say", can you clarify exactly what you mean? Given that it has already been established that no one in this thread has declared Brand innocent. I absolutely will not believe accusations without proof. I do not care if that upsets anyone. Thank you for the lesson in empathy though, I have never before considered that a thing I'm discussing could potentially effect me or my family.

I lose nothing by waiting for a criminal conviction. A conviction that will surely be forthcoming with the plethora of evidence amassed by C4 and The Times.

I lose nothing by waiting for a criminal conviction. A conviction that will surely be forthcoming with the plethora of evidence amassed by C4 and The Times.

When you write "have a think about what they say", can you clarify exactly what you mean? Given that it has already been established that no one in this thread has declared Brand innocent. I absolutely will not believe accusations without proof. I do not care if that upsets anyone. Thank you for the lesson in empathy though, I have never before considered that a thing I'm discussing could potentially effect me or my family.

I take it you are referring to my post in an indirect way and so I will answer your points.
You speak of victims as if that has been proven beyond any doubt in a court of law.  That is how criminal matters should be dealt with, but you seem upset with that, raging even that anyone dare question allegations brought forth through mass media instead of the police and the courts.  Accusations do not equal guilt.

I'm interested what he did to upset you so much. He can be very grating and he was/is a massive slut (something that appears to be coming back to bite him on his much publicised "winky"), but at the height of his fame he was just an average vacuous celebrity.
I'm completely done with trial by social media. I don't care about allegations other than wanting the accused/accusers to have their day in court to establish the actual facts of the matter. Too many times we've been assured by a rabid media and even more rabid social media mob that the accused is as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo, only for charges to be dismissed once that old pesky proof is requested. Benjamin Mendy being a recent case in point.