davenportram Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Yep because looking at the players that have left or are not available we have Anderson - started 5 games injured and unavailable most of the time and left in January Addison - on loan all season and not a available Maguire - not in the match day squad most of the time on loan for the rest Green - only available for half a season and used as cover for right back for the majority. Barker - only played 20 games but will be missed Shackell - obvious major change Kilbane - started a few got injured and left in January will hardly be missed Carroll - a loan we had for 8 weeks hardly can be considered pivotal squad member Ball - yep played in half the games but was third/fourth choice striker so will not be missed a lot Overall for the time spent in the match day squad I think only changes that will have any effect are Shackell and Barker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 25%, lets just do starts because its easier, so, all the players who have left, won't play or are leaving with games played (subs) [goals]: Shackell - 46 (0) [1] Maguire - 2 (5) [1] Anderson - 5 (3) [0] Noble - 1 (1) [0] Cywka - 3 (5) [1] Riggott - 0 (0) [0] Carroll - 8 (4) [1] Croft - 4 (4) [0] Ball - 11 (12) [3] Kilbane - 7 (2) [1] Green - 25 (1) [1] Priskin - 4 (1) [1] Davies - 20 (6) [12] Bailey - 17 (5) [0] Barker - 19 (1) [0] So we have the following totals (percentage in brackets): Starts: 172 (34%) Subs: 50 (36%*) Goals: 22 (44%) [size=1]*Here subs percentage is calculated against the maximum possible sub appearances. [/size] From this we can see that the original figure of 25% is actually an underestimate. However, why not only consider it for players who improved the side over the course of the season: Shackell - 46 (0) [1] Ball - 11 (12) [3] Green - 25 (1) [1] Davies - 20 (6) [12] Bailey - 17 (5) [0] Barker - 19 (1) [0] This gives us: Starts: 138 (27%) Subs: 25 (18%*) Goals: 17 (34%) [size=1]*Here subs percentage is calculated against the maximum possible sub appearances. [/size] This is very close to the original 25% with the added kicker of the 34% of the goals. Of course, the club already had to improve on the 50 goals this season, and losing 34% worth of players isn't exactly a great start, but hey... The real test for the club this off season of course is whether we can replace those 6 for the season, in both signings and youngsters stepping up as well as bringing in different types of players, like Jacobs. How I've seen it so far: Shackell - Keogh Green - Coutts Davies - To be signed Bailey - Hughes? Barker - *Crickets* Ball - ..? Here having Jacobs not being considered a replacement (or improvement) on any previous player. All the above was for league appearances only. You have way too much time on your hands. Also, I'm going to stick my neck out here and say, as long as we get a young back-up left back and a quality striker, our squad has actually improved. We've brought down the average age of the team (something I like) and added a lot more flair with Jacobs and Coutts, something we severely lacked at times. As for the defence, I'm still going to argue that Keogh is just as good as Shackell and he could certainly be better. Start Keogh and OB from day 1 and I will have no complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 We have a young squad so they are naturally going to improve year on year. We will finish higher this season than we did last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Yep because looking at the players that have left or are not available we have Anderson - started 5 games injured and unavailable most of the time and left in January Addison - on loan all season and not a available Maguire - not in the match day squad most of the time on loan for the rest Green - only available for half a season and used as cover for right back for the majority. Barker - only played 20 games but will be missed Shackell - obvious major change Kilbane - started a few got injured and left in January will hardly be missed Carroll - a loan we had for 8 weeks hardly can be considered pivotal squad member Ball - yep played in half the games but was third/fourth choice striker so will not be missed a lot Overall for the time spent in the match day squad I think only changes that will have any effect are Shackell and Barker. Ok I understand now, take out half the players from the squad, don't include a couple more, call it a core squad and it hasn't changed much apart from a few players, oh and any that did play a few games that have left didn't contribute cannot be counted either :-) Not sure who is going to play the 212 games that these players played in though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 naturally going to improve? we have had young players who peaked when they were young and never did much afterwards. Look at Barnes, Holmes and Addison. Just because they are yong don't assume they will definitely get better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcfcMichael Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I think it's harsh to assume that Derby are relegation candidates so early. We've been slowly improving and as fans its our job to be optimistic about how Derby will do. Not overly optimistic, but anything other than relegation talk as we have gradually established ourselves as a Championship level team. Back to the topic, I guess peoples opinions differ on whether the league is more difficult than last seasons. IMO I think it's just as difficult as previous seasons gone by, the difference is the teams are a little different than usual. Blackburn and Bolton havn't played in the 2nd tier of English football for a while and it seems like a long time since Sheffield Wednesday and Charlton were Championship regulars. Huddersfield deserve to come up after always being the nearly men in league 1 and Wolves coming back down is possibly the most common movement of the lot as they always appear to be to good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the Premier League. For me, as an early guess, Barnsley, Watford and Millwall to struggle. Birmingham, Blackburn and Wolves to do well. Underdogs Pterborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 looks like Wolves will be getting around 10 million for fletcher, plus parachute payments etc- really makes for an unlevel playing field. So much for FFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 looks like Wolves will be getting around 10 million for fletcher, plus parachute payments etc- really makes for an unlevel playing field. So much for FFP Luckily Wolves are ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 looks like Wolves will be getting around 10 million for fletcher, plus parachute payments etc- really makes for an unlevel playing field. So much for FFP What a joke, more than Podolski or Papiss Cisse. MOM doing what he does best overspending on average players, he will then quit a few years later when the chairman realises what he has done and stops funding transfers then the club will either be relegated or struggle. Shows who overpriced British players now, if we were promoted I wouldn't bother just go to Europe where you get techincally better players for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 In fairness has Podolski done well at club level? Fletcher did well to score the goals he did in a poor team. Although 10 million is a good way over his value, he should be valued at a similar rate to Jelavic in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Luckily Wolves are ****! I would say that they are more than capable at this level and with another 10 mil and god knows how many millions in parachute payments over the coming seasons it is hard to see them not going up in the near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I would say that they are more than capable at this level and with another 10 mil and god knows how many millions in parachute payments over the coming seasons it is hard to see them not going up in the near future Not sure about them tbh. Average side, very average support, and a board who will not want to squander the chute payments on wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Not sure about them tbh. Average side, very average support, and a board who will not want to squander the chute payments on wages. Lets hope so, I have mate who is a wolves fan and has been downright arrogant about them being in the prem and us not. Would be nice to see them struggle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Lets hope so, I have mate who is a wolves fan and has been downright arrogant about them being in the prem and us not. Would be nice to see them struggle Yes, I know one or two dingles as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 bloody wolves with their minging kit, stupid accents and a ground that is (almost) named after a food mixer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 yam orlroight moite.........whats the difference between a buffalo and a bison? you can't wash yer hands in a buffalo.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 £10m for Fletcher!!!!!!? Paolo Wanchope would be worth about £60m today. £90m to Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoper tough guy Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 barnsley are nailed on for relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 barnsley are nailed on for relegation doubt it, they always keep their heads above water and keith hill is a very good manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I reckon Barnsley will finish above Wednesday to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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