Comrade 86 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I have to say, beyond these two - Stokes and Bairstow - I don't see a lot of runs. I'm sure they will want 300+ lead. Will they get that much? One of the two needs to make a decent score, if not both. The Sky % thingy has had England as the most likely winner all morning. Not convinced just yet, but Stokes and Bairstow can snatch a game away pretty rapidly. On thing's for sure, it's going to be a belting session of test cricket after lunch. Both sides will feel they have an opportunity to make a decisive move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Stokes looks in good nick, just needs to calm down with the charging down the wicket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Decent innings needed from Moeen now. Needs to score some but also stay with Stokes for an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 26 minutes ago, sage said: Decent innings needed from Moeen now. Needs to score some but also stay with Stokes for an hour. An even more decent one needed from him now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 The weather forecast is pretty poor for tomorrow but at the moment Australia would only need 2 sessions of the remaining 4 and a half sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: The weather forecast is pretty poor for tomorrow but at the moment Australia would only need 2 sessions of the remaining 4 and a half sessions. Rain seems likely to intervene but all out before tea or soon after could be a bit close for comfort. I'm not sure I can see the Aussies changing their order but they could have a real go this evening and if the wheels come off fall back on blocking and waiting for the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 This comes down to that silly declaration. Cost us, probably, net 50 runs. How they would be useful now. AndyinLiverpool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, sage said: This comes down to that silly declaration. Cost us, probably, net 50 runs. How they would be useful now. I think that's a bit harsh. You either buy into the new England way of playing tests or you don't. It has been very successful thus far and I'm loving it. You won't win every game but you won't die wondering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, sage said: This comes down to that silly declaration. Cost us, probably, net 50 runs. How they would be useful now. If England bat much longer, expect another declaration after tea I reckon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, NottsRam said: I think that's a bit harsh. You either buy into the new England way of playing tests or you don't. It has been very successful thus far and I'm loving it. You won't win every game but you won't die wondering! Wow. That is the language of a cult. I generally like what we are doing, but it doesn't mean i agree with every decision, such as dropping Foakes again. We gave up 6 overs of batting in good conditions with 2 batsmen well set, to bowl 4 overs in good conditions when you know it will be cloudy the next morning. Carnero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Just now, NottsRam said: If England bat much longer, expect another declaration after tea I reckon! Edited June 19, 2023 by sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, sage said: Wow. That is the language of a cult. I generally like what we are doing, but it doesn't mean i agree with every decision, such as dropping Foakes again. We gave up 6 overs of batting in good conditions with 2 batsmen well set, to bowl 4 overs in good conditions when you know it will be cloudy the next morning. So it didn't come off on this occasion but has done before, personally i am enjoying the way we keep the opposition guessing all the time and mostly things are working well. Some of the unusual field placings Stokes has employed have been brilliant. With rain expected tomorrow for good periods of time we have certainly given the game every chance of a result one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, sage said: Jimmy reverse sweeping Lyon first ball for four, brilliant stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, NottsRam said: I think that's a bit harsh. You either buy into the new England way of playing tests or you don't. It has been very successful thus far and I'm loving it. You won't win every game but you won't die wondering! Add 50 on to this lead and you’re at 322. Huge difference. The sun was baking down, the track was doing zilch and Root was slapping it about. We gained nothing from the 4-5 overs we got at them and it was unlikely we were ever going to. I like the positive cricket but that declaration didn’t increase Englands chances at the expense of a draw, it increased Australias chances at the expense of Englands Carnero and sage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, NottsRam said: So it didn't come off on this occasion but has done before, personally i am enjoying the way we keep the opposition guessing all the time and mostly things are working well. Some of the unusual field placings Stokes has employed have been brilliant. With rain expected tomorrow for good periods of time we have certainly given the game every chance of a result one way or the other. If it was cloudy that evening or sunny the next day, I could see the value of it, but it was an ill-judged gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, nottingram said: Add 50 on to this lead and you’re at 322. Huge difference. The sun was baking down, the track was doing zilch and Root was slapping it about. We gained nothing from the 4-5 overs we got at them and it was unlikely we were ever going to. I like the positive cricket but that declaration didn’t increase Englands chances at the expense of a draw, it increased Australias chances at the expense of Englands So you think they just did it for effect? I think they firmly believed they would get at least one of the openers out in the evening, especially with Broad's history against Warner. It didn't work out on this occasion but if they had been 10-2 at stumps no-one would have criticised the declaration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, NottsRam said: So you think they just did it for effect? I think they firmly believed they would get at least one of the openers out in the evening, especially with Broad's history against Warner. It didn't work out on this occasion but if they had been 10-2 at stumps no-one would have criticised the declaration. No I just think it was a bad decision. The pitch wasn’t doing anything and Root was batting with a cigar in his mouth. If Broad and Robinson had been in, fine. But the world’s best batsman was out there and they brought him in. The question is were 4-5 more overs bowling, more valuable than 50 more runs? I can’t think of a single reason it would be. The win predictor has Australia at 56%, what do you think that number would be if they were chasing 330 now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, nottingram said: No I just think it was a bad decision. The pitch wasn’t doing anything and Root was batting with a cigar in his mouth. If Broad and Robinson had been in, fine. But the world’s best batsman was out there and they brought him in. The question is were 4-5 more overs bowling, more valuable than 50 more runs? I can’t think of a single reason it would be. The win predictor has Australia at 56%, what do you think that number would be if they were chasing 330 now! I understand where you're coming from, i really do. But who knows what the match position would be if we had not declared? Its not a given that we would be 330 ahead, so many factors to consider. There will be some bad decisions made, especially with England hell bent on making a result out of every game but i am enjoying the unpredicatability of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 another Bairstow mistake. ffs Pick your best keeper Henrycav81, AndyinLiverpool, rynny and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sage said: another Bairstow mistake. ffs Pick your best keeper The useless **** never even moved. 😡 Edited June 19, 2023 by Grumpy Git Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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