Uptherams Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I was walking behind 3 gents who said they won't be coming to another game this season....well only if we win 4 in a row. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Opinions need to be challenged. That's what a free society consists of. Being 'entitled' to an opinion is only half the story. An opinion expressed is public property and should be examined and critiqued. Now, I admit that this forum is not a great example of that but 'jeez give it a rest' doesn't seem a particularly good refutation of the content of the post. When someone keeps repeating the same thing over and over again then 'jeez give it a rest' is the ONLY response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, tomsdubs said: We have the worst moany fan base i've come across. Our own fans turn on our players as soon as someone misplaces a pass. I mean calling your own players useless C words for a misplaced pass? We don't even cheer or support the lads when they really need it. It's a joke. No way! If you were able to listen to Radio WM you’d hear Villa supporters who want the manager sacked after two games because they lost. They’ll be `over the moon' about Saturday’s result but if they don’t win the next two they’ll be '`sick as parrots’ and demanding Dean’s head on a silver platter. Rams fans are the simply the best (well, 99% of them are anyway!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, KCG said: When someone keeps repeating the same thing over and over again then 'jeez give it a rest' is the ONLY response! Fair one. I've had to stick myself on 'ignore' mate. Doing my own head in. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzaram Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, 86 points said: This is a very long moan about moaners - those of a sensitive disposition, look away now.... Expectation Vs Entitlement We’ve all seen Gladiator, right? ‘Are you not entertained’, bellows Russell Crowe at the baying crowd, having ruthlessly dispatched half a dozen scary looking blokes in ever-increasingly, blood-curdling fashion. So, are we not entertained? Last season we were treated to around 40 games of what one might politely term, ‘pragmatic football’. There were maybe half a dozen games where we looked good but for the most part, we sat deep, took zero risks and tried to steal points. It really wasn’t great to watch but we had to admit (or some of us did) that it was more than passably effective given we ended the season a mere 45 minutes away from a play-off final before our total lack of ambition became our ultimate undoing. This season we’re a different side. The turgid, ponderous, route one approach has been swept aside in favour of a high-risk, high-tempo game where we simply try to blow teams away with fast, fluid football. In doing so, we always look to build from the back and we avoid humping balls down the channels, all in favour of one-touch interchanges between players who constantly run into spaces, while off the ball, we press like madmen until our legs fill with lactic acid and we can run no more. This approach brings a deal more entertainment value, but it does rather mean that when we are not fully on it, we can be ruthlessly exposed. Both Leeds and Villa, two sides whose personnel have been together for some time and mostly comprise of seasoned professionals, have done exactly that. To compound this, we’ve rather capitulated in both games, and yet quite tellingly, only in those two games. No other teams have really pulled us apart, with the few other lacklustre efforts generally being of our own making. Even then (and often from a goal down) we’ve stuck to our guns and salvaged wins and draws without as a result. That's progress. My expectations are quite simple this season. That we stick to the plan and try and play football the way it should be played. I sense that unless we are crippled with injuries, the only way this will not yield a play-off slot is if the players shrink back into their shells and begin to play with fear again. But here’s the thing - it’s not an entitlement – we have no divine right to success. Our net spend in a transformational season was around £1 million and Frank and Jody have only been here a quarter of a season with just a single transfer window in which to re-shape the team. To my mind, they’ve moved mountains, lowering the average age and the wage bill, promoting youth and setting about trying to build a side to progress not just in the current season, but with an eye on the future too. All of this has been done against a backdrop of often sensational football, with the odd shocker thrown in to keep us on our toes. Put simply, it’s been one hell of a ride so far and for my part, I’ve absolutely loved it. Much of what I have just described, is precisely what the bulk of malcontents last season were baying for – entertainment, youth, a sounder financial footing, no mercenaries out for a last fat pay check and most important of all, some entertaining football. By and large, the fans have kept their side of the deal. Most have remained upbeat after the adverse results this season, but as always, there’s a core of noisy, know-it-all’s who we only hear from after a defeat or poor performance and who completely lose their perspective anytime some poor miscreant fails to meet their exacting performance standards. That, my friends, is entitlement, pure and simple. We beat West Brom 4-1, Leeds beat us 4-1, West Brom beat Leeds 4-1. It’s the nature of the beast and what makes the Championship so much more compelling than the Prem where it’s 2 or three 3 teams competing at the top and very seldom more. Let’s be honest here, there’s a world of difference between stating facts like, ‘Bogle looked exposed today’ or ‘Lawrence went missing and failed to help his fullback’ and some of the utter garbage posted by bedwetting, knee-jerkers who’d have us believe that the sky has just fallen in. The relish with which some on here have been talking about the Villa game as season-defining and other such bolarks makes me genuinely despair. Why is it that the same folk don’t see our performances against the likes of Manure, Sheffield, Chelsea, Brum and the Baggies as being in any way defining, why is it only the games that we lose that are meaningful? These are, of course rhetorical questions, as the answer is abundantly clear to all bar the individuals themselves. Let’s talk about Bogle now. Jayden Bogle turned 18 this summer. Three games in, he was being lauded as the next big thing to come out of our academy, a ‘future £20 million’ player and quite rightly so really, but the fact remains that he’s only 13 games into his senior career and as a nipper, will be ruthlessly targeted by teams this season in the hope that he’ll crumble. I think yesterday, he did a little and it was painful to watch. His confidence is, I suspect, at a slightly low ebb right now but does that not mean that he needs our support more at this time than when he’s flying? Do you seriously believe that he and other players won’t have been reading this and other forums since the game and how do we suppose young Jayden would feel reading some of the comments posted? As for Tom Lawrence, well he is a different case. He’s become something of a pantomime villain for some of the supposed Derby faithful, mainly, I suspect, because he was Rowett’s prime target and the fact that he cost a fair few quid, neither of which are his fault. He has also been hugely frustrating at times, showing flashes of immense ability on occasions, then playing as if he’s the only Derby player on the park. His work rate seems highly inconsistent too but I think to a degree, he just doesn’t have an engine like a Craig Bryson type player and today he looked out on his feet to me. In truth, he barely lifted a leg and I can fully grasp how that will irk many fans. That said, in recent games he’s played well, better than well in fact and as a result, he’s got a bit love chucked his way from the Derby faithful, many of whom have been staunch in their support of him when perhaps he’s not fully deserved it. Happy-clappers, huh! Yesterday, it’s fair to say, he was all Jekyll and no Hyde but does that justify a noisy minority comparing his usefulness to ruptured prophylactics whilst others earnestly stated he should never play for Derby again? We can be the architects of our own downfall sometimes, is what I’m trying to say and before some wag asks me what’s wrong with criticising a player, the answer is nothing at all, it’s the way it’s sometimes done that bothers myself and many others on here. Anyone can utter a cross word in the heat of the moment, but when it’s the same folk again and again, it’s going to get a rise out of some on here as is probably the aim anyway. If this is you then just don’t be a baby when a few choice words head back in your direction, eh? So, expectation vs entitlement – the former is the right of every fan surely? We expect our team to try hard, to show pride in the club and to prosper when they have all the tools at their disposal and a golden opportunity to do so. I think that’s most of us, right? The latter is the province of hypocrites who clearly believe their own workplace performance never waivers below ‘utterly excellent’ (let alone have days where they absolutely suck) and take a perverse pleasure in denigrating a team they claim to support. These ‘fans’ most often blithely assume that we need only turn up to win every game which then affords them the moral imperative to ruin the team when things go wrong. Makes me genuinely despair sometimes. There's nowt wrong with expectation, belief and dreams. The other thing, not so much. COYR Best ever post written on here. Fully agree with this. We are neither world beaters, nor the worst team ever, but that's what you would think if your only experience of the Rams was what is written on here. We are a work in progress. Get behind the team ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Haters who pay to watch the Rams week in week out. Moaning about the moaners is rich. Dont worry we were perfection yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Tamworthram said: Genuine question, why would/have you sat in the home end at other grounds on "numerous" occasions? I really can't understand why you would. I've done it maybe three times - twice (Arsenal and Barnsley) because I went as a guest of a supporter of those clubs and once to Villa (Derby tickets were sold out and I got away with it because of my Birmingham post code) but, I wouldn't do it on a regular basis. Got mates that support other clubs so I sometimes go along for a day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I just don’t get slating people for expressing opinions on a forum. That’s what it’s for. All options aren’t equal, some are good, some stupid and lots heightened by adrenaline or alcohol or both during games. If everyone had the same opinion, this forum would close within a year. It would just be boring, I don’t block anyone, I can’t see the point. Read the posts, if they don’t agree with your view, either slag them off or just let it pass you by. Everyone should express their opinion but should also have the decency to admit when they are wrong, It’s never happened yet but if I was ever wrong, I hope I had the good grace to admit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doodle said: I just don’t get slating people for expressing opinions on a forum. That’s what it’s for. All options aren’t equal, some are good, some stupid and lots heightened by adrenaline or alcohol or both during games. If everyone had the same opinion, this forum would close within a year. It would just be boring, I don’t block anyone, I can’t see the point. Read the posts, if they don’t agree with your view, either slag them off or just let it pass you by. Everyone should express their opinion but should also have the decency to admit when they are wrong, It’s never happened yet but if I was ever wrong, I hope I had the good grace to admit it Not allowed to express opinions mate. You get hounded. For what it’s worth I think yesterday’s midfield was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 @86 points. Top, top post, Says it all really. I thoroughly enjoyed yesterday’s game, two attack minded teams giving it their all, one coming out on top. Unfortunately it wasn’t us, but we’ll win more than we lose this season. It’s an amazing league, you’ve only got to look at Derby Leeds and West Brom as an example, beating and losing to each other 4-1, just enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 58 minutes ago, Curtains said: Not allowed to express opinions mate. You get hounded. For what it’s worth I think yesterday’s midfield was awful. Everyone is allowed to express opinions. Everyone is also allowed to disagree with opinions. So while some will say 'you arent allowed to express an opinion', others will say 'dont express an opinion if you are likely to get upset about it if someone disagrees'. You are right yesterday, second half anyway, our midfield was poor. Not only our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Curtains said: Not allowed to express opinions mate. You get hounded. For what it’s worth I think yesterday’s midfield was awful. Seem to remember you being highly critical of people when they stated GR was a shire manager, think you also said these people hounded him out the club... bit of irony about your post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Everyone is allowed to express opinions. Everyone is also allowed to disagree with opinions. So while some will say 'you arent allowed to express an opinion', others will say 'dont express an opinion if you are likely to get upset about it if someone disagrees'. You are right yesterday, second half anyway, our midfield was poor. Not only our midfield. Opinions are just opinions they effect no one but leaving matches really early is very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Just now, AdamRam said: Seem to remember you being highly critical of people when they stated GR was a shire manager, think you also said these people hounded him out the club... bit of irony about your post ? I suppose there is really. I get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Just now, AdamRam said: Seem to remember you being highly critical of people when they stated GR was a shire manager, think you also said these people hounded him out the club... bit of irony about your post ? Shire manager? Well he was a county for going to Stoke. Damn my spelling is off now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Doodle said: I just don’t get slating people for expressing opinions on a forum. That’s what it’s for. All options aren’t equal, some are good, some stupid and lots heightened by adrenaline or alcohol or both during games. If everyone had the same opinion, this forum would close within a year. It would just be boring, I don’t block anyone, I can’t see the point. Read the posts, if they don’t agree with your view, either slag them off or just let it pass you by. Everyone should express their opinion but should also have the decency to admit when they are wrong, It’s never happened yet but if I was ever wrong, I hope I had the good grace to admit it Ahem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Curtains said: Opinions are just opinions they effect no one but leaving matches really early is very poor. I dont like that either. But sort of got it yesterday 3-0 down looking totally beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Curtains said: Not allowed to express opinions mate. You get hounded. For what it’s worth I think yesterday’s midfield was awful. Mate, you hijack dozens of threads and turn them into Gary Rowett love-ins, then slate folk for being supportive of Lampard so you're not really in a position to moan are you? I've not hounded you anyway, rather it's the other way around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, 86 points said: Mate, you hijack dozens of threads and turn them into Gary Rowett love-ins, then slate folk for being supportive of Lampard so you're not really in a position to moan are you? I've not hounded you anyway, rather it's the other way around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Curtains said: Opinions are just opinions they effect no one but leaving matches really early is very poor. Especially when you're supposed to be playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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