jimbo jones Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: It isn't 8 million, it won't be 8 million , it hasn't ever been 8 million. He is rated by Ipswich as 8 million, but we won't pay that. We will pay 4 million up front with add ons dependant on promotion, which isn't a bad deal. Honestly, wasting your time. The same people wouldn’t budge from the idea of £6 million for Marriott right up until we signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 40 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: It’s not overpriced at 4m 16 league goals and however many assists, the fact that rangers were daft enough to let him go for 250k is immaterial and just an unholey mes up on their part in the current market we paid 1.5m for Cameron Jerome 7m for Lawrence 6m Johnson 4m for butterfield 4m for Anya 8m for Vydra 2. Whatever it was for flojo forest just paid 6m for 30 yo grabben id say at 4m Waghorn represents bang on the norm price wise for what he is 2m would be cheap and a v good deal for us being as they don’t want to sell him and there’s other suitors (boro) in for him. Supply and demand I take your point but some of them are overpriced ,Anya,BJ and Butterfield we had our pants down and got dry bummed with those three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, 1977 Ram Raider said: Still makes me shudder, 4m for Anya. It was more than that unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sparkle said: It was more than that unfortunately Of course it is. An undisclosed transfer fee, which one messageboard #ITK suggests is £4m, is refuted by another messageboard #ITK who says it was more. Whore for attention much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said: why can’t people get it through their head that’s it not a straight 8m It a deal worth 8m... promotion, goals appearances etc etc so if he/we do v well we pay 8m ... so if that’s the case where’s the problem especially if some of that 8m deal is us going up We've got it through our heads - it's just shorthand! £8m even if we go up sounds rather a lot for Waghorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said: It’s not overpriced at 4m 16 league goals and however many assists, the fact that rangers were daft enough to let him go for 250k is immaterial and just an unholey mes up on their part in the current market we paid 1.5m for Cameron Jerome 7m for Lawrence 6m Johnson 4m for butterfield 4m for Anya 8m for Vydra 2. Whatever it was for flojo forest just paid 6m for 30 yo grabben id say at 4m Waghorn represents bang on the norm price wise for what he is 2m would be cheap and a v good deal for us being as they don’t want to sell him and there’s other suitors (boro) in for him. Supply and demand How much for Blackman? Cos that's what we're potentially looking at again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 58 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: It’s not overpriced at 4m 16 league goals and however many assists, the fact that rangers were daft enough to let him go for 250k is immaterial and just an unholey mes up on their part in the current market we paid 1.5m for Cameron Jerome 7m for Lawrence 6m Johnson 4m for butterfield 4m for Anya 8m for Vydra 2. Whatever it was for flojo forest just paid 6m for 30 yo grabben id say at 4m Waghorn represents bang on the norm price wise for what he is 2m would be cheap and a v good deal for us being as they don’t want to sell him and there’s other suitors (boro) in for him. Supply and demand Fair points apart from using Derbys previous signings as examples of market rates. Derbys recent signings have been criminally above market rates. It’s not my money, so I’m not bothered what we pay. But we’ve got to shift some out first. Not only financially, but having loads of players sat around, twiddling their thumbs can damage squad morale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We've got it through our heads - it's just shorthand! £8m even if we go up sounds rather a lot for Waghorn. By the sounds of it its 4m plus addons which include promotion and then staying up. If Waghorn got 20 goals and we got promoted you dont think thats worth the extra couple of mil in addons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: By the sounds of it its 4m plus addons which include promotion and then staying up. If Waghorn got 20 goals and we got promoted you dont think thats worth the extra couple of mil in addons? That's what they said about Blackman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry Ennui Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 If we get promoted and have to pay Reading an extra 2 mil because we can't shift Blackman that'll be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, RoyMac5 said: That's what they said about Blackman. If thats the case then we havent paid any of the extras for Blackman so whats the issue? 4m on its own for Waghorn isnt over priced, forget the addons for promotion as they may never happen, or if they do then they will be worth paying wont they if we have got promoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We've got it through our heads - it's just shorthand! £8m even if we go up sounds rather a lot for Waghorn. It’s doesn’t appear so for some though reading some of the posts on here. If we go up and Waghorn plays a significant part of it then 8m would be absolute chicken feed compared to what we would land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, King Kevin said: I take your point but some of them are overpriced ,Anya,BJ and Butterfield we had our pants down and got dry bummed with those three. Oh without a doubt, we’ve been well and truly shafted down the line ... most noteably by our own chief exec if the case against him is anything to go by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Do you think Huddersfield fans are annoyed that they had to pay us 2m for Ince after they stayed up? He was someone who hadnt cut it at Prem level, scored 2 goals but 1 pretty much kept them up and now they have sold him for similar to what they paid for him. Bet their fans couldnt care less, they are in the Prem thats the main objective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 41 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How much for Blackman? Cos that's what we're potentially looking at again. Let’s not muck about Blackman was a clement / rush total uck up. I reckon he was about 1.5 rising to 3 depending on what u read. i think Waghorn has shown more in his career than Blackman and his one 3-4 month purple patch at reading. this is very layman’s terms I know but I usually base my initial judgment on the departing clubs fans reaction Reading fans were shocked and delighted that we’d offered to take Blackman, I remember reading one fan saying he would have taken 500k for him start of the season pre his purple patch so I went away thinking “ oh maybe clement has seen something in him they haven’t” clearly not lol in Waghorn case Ipswich fans are pretty unanimously upset they’ll be losing last seasons talismans ill take that as a starting point and then IF we sign him judge from there as a side note, whenever iv seen him play against us he’s always been nothing other than a right pain in the ass and I’d be v pleased if we got him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 So......just asking.....if we sign waghorn as well as marriott, josefzoon, wilson, and mount.....to add to what we've already got,then whats the first 11? people keep saying the new system will suit lawrence, and waghorn and uncle tom cobley and all, but not if they can't all fit in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, Doodle said: Fair points apart from using Derbys previous signings as examples of market rates. Derbys recent signings have been criminally above market rates. It’s not my money, so I’m not bothered what we pay. But we’ve got to shift some out first. Not only financially, but having loads of players sat around, twiddling their thumbs can damage squad morale Oh god yes, completely mate I only used Derbys and forest recent one cos I’m not totally clued up on figures of all other champ clubs but sounds around the right ball park for the going rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, RamNut said: So......just asking.....if we sign waghorn as well as marriott, josefzoon, wilson, and mount.....to add to what we've already got,then whats the first 11? people keep saying the new system will suit lawrence, and waghorn and uncle tom cobley and all, but not if they can't all fit in the team. Enjoy it ,Frank gets paid fabulous wages to sort it .A few years ago under Cloughie if someone got injured we were well and truly screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, RamNut said: So......just asking.....if we sign waghorn as well as marriott, josefzoon, wilson, and mount.....to add to what we've already got,then whats the first 11? people keep saying the new system with suit lawrence, and waghorn and uncle tom cobley and all, but not if they can't all fit in the team. Ah, let’s throw in the 11 man team argument. Let’s play the same team for 90 minutes each game, over the entire season. Hamstring tweaks, metatarsal injuries, ACLs? Just run them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Brian clough used to say that management is about making tough decisions. We avoid the tough decisions by just buying whoever we fancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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