eddie Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 30 minutes ago, King Kevin said: But not in that order. The beer's on hold. I have an interview this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, eddie said: The beer's on hold. I have an interview this afternoon. So if you are successful this afternoon, what formation will you put out vs Forest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 35 minutes ago, eddie said: The beer's on hold. I have an interview this afternoon. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, eddie said: Manager: I want to buy ABC and XYZ Mel: OK, here's the cash if you think they are the right men for the job ABC: I can't be arsed with this XYZ: Run, fall over, miss target Mel: Not working. Pack your bags, manager. Hello, new guy. New guy: I want to buy PQR Mel: OK, here's the cash etc Rinse and repeat. Why is that scenario Mel's fault for unwisely splashing cash?? Because he also appointed the recruitment team. He also set the managers budget. He wants youngsters coming through - where are they. He appointed his Academy mate in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihangel Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, mike93rh said: Again, just because he's pumped money into something doesn't immediately vindicate his decision to do so. How many academy products have played in the last few years? How many genuinely exciting prospects are there right now? Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware it'll take time for things to start bearing fruit but all too often we see Mel being supported/defended on his decisions purely on the back of the level of investment. He could spend £100 million on our academy, and if in 20 years' time it hasn't ended up producing a single player of any worth would you still call it a good footballing decision? Of course you wouldn't, at least i hope you wouldn't. Of course he has to take decisions, and the entire point of my post is that it's his decisions being made and they've all been bloody terrible so far. We've never had a manager forced on us, he's the one hiring and then firing them all. If we continue to support him because of his money in the face of all the available evidence that he doesn't have a clue about football, we're only going one way as a club. Your point was that Mel has not made any good decisions, I don't think there can be too much debate that investing in the facilities, making them the best they can be, is a GOOD decision. I would still call it a good decision if it didn't produce a single player, that would be down to poor execution. Obviously not all of his decisions have been 'bloody terrible', in fact the only two that I think could categorically go in to that bracket are the appointments of Pearson and McClaren, in hindsight. You're being a drama queen, I sometimes wonder if people remember Maxwell, Keith, Sleighthome et al. They brought the club to it's knees, Morris is just causing internet based embarrassment to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Because he also appointed the recruitment team. He also set the managers budget. He wants youngsters coming through - where are they. He appointed his Academy mate in charge. Out on loan because quite simply they are not good enough yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, ShoreRam said: I sometimes wonder if people remember Maxwell, Keith, Sleighthome et al. They brought the club to it's knees, Morris is just causing internet based embarrassment to some. Mel's not finished yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Because he also appointed the recruitment team. He also set the managers budget. He wants youngsters coming through - where are they. He appointed his Academy mate in charge. It seems that you want to lay the blame everything at Mel Morris's door, yet if and when the next appoontment doesn't deliver, you will be calling for that manager's head and continuing to lay the blame full square on the chairman. I daresay if the next appointment leads Derby to promotion, then according to you (as outlined in your "Mel's not finished yet" post) it will be despite Mel. The bloke will never be able to get you onside. Entitled, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, eddie said: It seems that you want to lay the blame everything at Mel Morris's door, yet if and when the next appoontment doesn't deliver, you will be calling for that manager's head and continuing to lay the blame full square on the chairman. I daresay if the next appointment leads Derby to promotion, then according to you (as outlined in your "Mel's not finished yet" post) it will be despite Mel. The bloke will never be able to get you onside. Entitled, or what? We all know ROYMAC5 has a room at home dedicated to Steve Mc, Along the lines of Alan Partridges biggest fan. Can one of the Mods do something with this link ? Cheers https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiCweWvxdPSAhXFPRQKHQPGAMcQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpartridge.cloud%2Fscene%2F%3Fid%3Dh3zf8HzrKYDp&psig=AFQjCNEizQnMw8zjkwUzzfttebprB-DMXg&ust=1489496555711635 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, eddie said: It seems that you want to lay the blame everything at Mel Morris's door, yet if and when the next appoontment doesn't deliver, you will be calling for that manager's head and continuing to lay the blame full square on the chairman. I daresay if the next appointment leads Derby to promotion, then according to you (as outlined in your "Mel's not finished yet" post) it will be despite Mel. The bloke will never be able to get you onside. Entitled, or what? Mel has shown himself to be in charge of the whole of the club, he hires and fires, he decides who's cutting the mustard and how his money is spent. As for calling for the managers head, so what I don't hold the gun. If they stayed around long enough to be judged properly then maybe Mel could take the plaudits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGApro Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 No problem with Mel and would back him in anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike93rh Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, ShoreRam said: Your point was that Mel has not made any good decisions, I don't think there can be too much debate that investing in the facilities, making them the best they can be, is a GOOD decision. I would still call it a good decision if it didn't produce a single player, that would be down to poor execution. Obviously not all of his decisions have been 'bloody terrible', in fact the only two that I think could categorically go in to that bracket are the appointments of Pearson and McClaren, in hindsight. You're being a drama queen, I sometimes wonder if people remember Maxwell, Keith, Sleighthome et al. They brought the club to it's knees, Morris is just causing internet based embarrassment to some. I gave a scenario where a £100million investment returned absolutely nothing, if you feel that would still be good business then I'm bloody glad you're nowhere near the boardroom. For what it's worth, yeah the actual academy upgrades are very welcome, and i did overlook that. But if you can't see that we've already been lumbered with a huge, massively overpaid squad, populated by players that are going to be hugely difficult to shift in the summer, then there's no hope left for you. We're back at square one before Cloughie arrived and it's the owner who takes the responsibility, he's making the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: We all know ROYMAC5 has a room at home dedicated to Steve Mc. Yeah, I like the way he plays the game and how successful he is. I like that he's ex-Derby. I like the fact he was appointed Derby manager again. I don't think 5 months was long enough. I don't like the players getting off lightly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilsonram12 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 It's a business end of the day and its mels business, and if he isn't happy with a manager not delivering to the customer then he'll do what he feels is right to take his business forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Yeah, I like the way he plays the game and how successful he is. I like that he's ex-Derby. I like the fact he was appointed Derby manager again. I don't think 5 months was long enough. I don't like the players getting off lightly again. I also am a SM fan despite my tongue in cheek post but I am really unhappy with the recent performance level and think Rowett will be a breath of fresh air. Think he can be a similar appointment to Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, hintonsboots said: ...think Rowett will be a breath of fresh air. Think he can be a similar appointment to Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. I don't know how he'll do. But he's sort of being set up to be a cuddly Pearson? My money is if he does well he'll be gone and if he does poorly he'll be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 For all his faults, Mel Morris currently represents the best chance we have of becoming an established PL team, financial sustainability and security and some measure of success on the pitch. I desperately want him to get it right, but at the moment he seems to have the kind of traits in a fan that I really can't stand (short termism, over-reactionary, so-called passion over so-called common sense, not looking at the bigger picture, being swayed by the vocal minority). If he was on here, I suspect I would be arguing with him a lot on things. Obviously, we don't know what goes on in the background, but some of these decisions don't seem logical to me. Sad thing is, there are a fair few they do seem logical to, and I can't see eye to eye with these people, so it follows I wouldn't see eye to eye with Mel. I still wouldn't want him, or his resources, to leave the club however.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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