kyle mccabe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Pearce positional play covering for keogh when needed was great to see and something we miss when shacks gets picked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Agree. Any chance we could get him to organise us at corners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I don't think there's much in it. if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I reckon Shackell would of headed that one away late on! I'ld of put him on to grind out the win! No dig at Pearce he's been great but shackell still has a part to play. Especially since we can't defend corners lately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 We are terrible at defending corners. Foxes first goal was comical and so was the second. Couldn't defend corners against Reading either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Nothing wrong with shackell defending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThesePeople Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If only either of them had the slightest bit of composure, so that when intercepting/pouncing on a loose ball, they could actually just calmly pass to one of our other players rather than hoof it first time down the centre of the pitch. Then they could go and teach Bradley Johnson said composure, and we might be on the way to become a footballing team again like the good old Mac 1 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oomarkwright Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Agree that Pearce was immense last night and also tend to agree that shacks would have stopped Morgan getting the header on target. You can't play all three tho! Keogh did ok apart from that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Boring. Keogh is the best central defender we have and probably the best captain since Igor. The corners are down to match tactics, nothing to blame individuals about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 By constantly hoofing Pearce also created a lot more defending to do. As Shackell kills us with his rubbish passing. I know he sometimes gets carried away but Keogh is the only one of the three that can't be touched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Pearce over Shackell? Yes. Pearce better on the ball, I can't see a difference defensively. Shack can go at his age. Need a couple of youngsters to back up the main men. Anyone except Rawson likely to step up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantona Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Can't believe the criticism Shackell gets on here considering all the fuss and lengths Mel Morris went to in making sure he returned to Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 20 hours ago, RamNut said: I don't think there's much in it. if anything. This for me.Pearce has been great but it is pretty even.A nice dilemma to have. Alex Pearce is just a top bloke can't help but love him(not in that way!). This should obviously have no bearing on team selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Pearce's lack of agility last night was scary, looked like he had cement boots on. Pearce was poor vs Reading and Friday night the lax defending continued. We're starting to see his shortcomings. I find it hilarious that people are saying Keogh made a mistake for the goal, what was his mistake? Contesting a header against a beast of a CB that won the prem? Some Derby fans really are in cloud cuckoo land. Keogh defending the corner before that one fine, you can't win every header you'd be worth tens of millions if you did. What about Butterfield on the line? He got slaughtered for it on MOTD, stood behind the line then barely even reacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I thought their second was just a good corner and a good header. Probably only Butterfield had any chance with it. We couldn't really of prevented it. But we could have offered them something to think about other than the next wave of attack. The constant clearing the ball just invites crosses, corners, free kicks etc etc. All it takes then is Wes Morgan to beat Keogh to the ball by a split second and it's a goal. Limit their ball time by not hoofing it every two minutes. This imo is where Pearce fell short vs Leicester. After such a superb first half it was a poor way to draw the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alpha said: I thought their second was just a good corner and a good header. Probably only Butterfield had any chance with it. We couldn't really of prevented it. But we could have offered them something to think about other than the next wave of attack. The constant clearing the ball just invites crosses, corners, free kicks etc etc. All it takes then is Wes Morgan to beat Keogh to the ball by a split second and it's a goal. Limit their ball time by not hoofing it every two minutes. This imo is where Pearce fell short vs Leicester. After such a superb first half it was a poor way to draw the game. Indeed, looping it in to midfield where we second best in the air all night. It just kept coming back. Keogh tried to clear in to channels and pressure back on Leicester which was far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: Indeed, looping it in to midfield where we second best in the air all night. It just kept coming back. It's just a shame we started playing like Leicester had put us under siege. Butterfield making clearances on the half way line, Bryson taking one touch when he has time, Pearce firing it anywhere, Bryson and Butterfield getting deeper with every loss of the ball, then Ince, Russell and then Bent stays central so all clearances are mopped up. Was just a poor way for us to play after a confident first half. And I think it just comes from the fact that some of these players aren't suited to the way we want to play rather than them being rubbish or McClaren wanting then to park the bus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 32 minutes ago, Alpha said: It's just a shame we started playing like Leicester had put us under siege. Butterfield making clearances on the half way line, Bryson taking one touch when he has time, Pearce firing it anywhere, Bryson and Butterfield getting deeper with every loss of the ball, then Ince, Russell and then Bent stays central so all clearances are mopped up. Was just a poor way for us to play after a confident first half. And I think it just comes from the fact that some of these players aren't suited to the way we want to play rather than them being rubbish or McClaren wanting then to park the bus We should really have been clearing in to channels so we could contest throw ins in their half and slow the game down. Pearce looked so panicked by the pace as well. Anyone can see Butterfield is a good player but he just wants to play a different way, he did well under Clement but since then nothing we've done has suited him. I don't think he handles not being the main man well, you see a bit of arrogance in his body language and he gets mardy with team mates. Hughes going off really set us back mind, he gave Drinkwater a footballing lesson. After that Drinkwater had control of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, tomsdubs said: Pearce's lack of agility last night was scary, looked like he had cement boots on. Pearce was poor vs Reading and Friday night the lax defending continued. We're starting to see his shortcomings. I find it hilarious that people are saying Keogh made a mistake for the goal, what was his mistake? Contesting a header against a beast of a CB that won the prem? Some Derby fans really are in cloud cuckoo land. Keogh defending the corner before that one fine, you can't win every header you'd be worth tens of millions if you did. What about Butterfield on the line? He got slaughtered for it on MOTD, stood behind the line then barely even reacted. 1 hour ago, Alpha said: I thought their second was just a good corner and a good header. Probably only Butterfield had any chance with it. We couldn't really of prevented it. But we could have offered them something to think about other than the next wave of attack. The constant clearing the ball just invites crosses, corners, free kicks etc etc. All it takes then is Wes Morgan to beat Keogh to the ball by a split second and it's a goal. Limit their ball time by not hoofing it every two minutes. This imo is where Pearce fell short vs Leicester. After such a superb first half it was a poor way to draw the game. This could be in "why we concede corners"-thread too, but boy he did defence that corner poorly. Not blaming him, he's never been good at those and had to mark one of the best headers in the game. Pretty much wrong side of the man all the time so we are talking about very basics of set piece defending here. Our problem is collectively poor heading skills. If and when Keogh is among our best at it, we are screwed. Shackell, Forsyth and Martin are greatly missed in these situations. One and pretty much only reason I'd pick Shackell over Pearce in these certain games. Just like against WBA, should've been playing against Leicester too. Maybe in replay we have learned from our mistake, they are way too dangerous in set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Dimmu said: This could be in "why we concede corners"-thread too, but boy he did defence that corner poorly. Not blaming him, he's never been good at those and had to mark one of the best headers in the game. Pretty much wrong side of the man all the time so we are talking about very basics of set piece defending here. Our problem is collectively poor heading skills. If and when Keogh is among our best at it, we are screwed. Shackell, Forsyth and Martin are greatly missed in these situations. One and pretty much only reason I'd pick Shackell over Pearce in these certain games. Just like against WBA, should've been playing against Leicester too. Maybe in replay we have learned from our mistake, they are way too dangerous in set pieces. We struggled against Leeds though from set pieces and Shackell got beat pretty much every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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