ramsbottom Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 The big question is - When are we having our own Fawaz day??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: The big question is - When are we having our own Fawaz day??? Forest away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 27 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Forest away? Surely the supporters trust can whip up some We Love Fawaz flags??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, ramsbottom said: Surely the supporters trust can whip up some We Love Fawaz flags??? I reckon he deserves one of the big Derby County Legends flags that get surfed around the South Stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Fawaz should give them one lasting legacy though. A statue would be fitting. Perhaps a statue of Fawaz and Billy Davies embracing? or Fawaz and Lansbury on a sofa? or just a fountain of the man himself urinating on the forest logo? Have to be a firesale of players to fund it, but it would be a fitting, lasting reminder of forests greatest owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 20 hours ago, davenportram said: Can't see it being clough. Why would any manager who is settled where they are go to Forest. It's a very toxic club at the moment. in fact why would anybody think of taking the job. Anyone seen @AlexW hat in the ring? managing and UN peace keeping at the city ground ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 9 hours ago, Tony Le Mesmer said: Pretty much why I went the Red Bull way when the old Salzburg were bought out. A splinter club was formed called SV Austria Salzburg by fans angry at this and they began life in the lower reaches of Austrian football playing in the traditional purple of the old club. Meanwhile Red Bull Salzburg were formed, effectively as a new club and all the old history of the old club wiped out. The Red Bull Arena at Wals-Siezenheim was then to become the home for this football experiement. I went with Red Bull precisely due to what Radioactivewaste highlights -because it's top flight. I didn't want to do this but it is clear that football has changed and much like in society where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, in football it's the same now. SV Austria Salzburg have been formed by the passion and protest of a group of fans but they will never achieve anything. Once the angst has worn away they'll just end up being another lowly league club swaying from one game to the next with interest in them gradually waning. Don't get me wrong, I admire them for going it alone and sticking to their principles but the harsh fact is nobody cares about them. Not Austrian football, not Austrian football fans and not the footballing world. Football is full of sheep today and I decided to become one of them after years of sticking up for small and minority teams. I did this because there is really no other option. Football has already been destroyed IMO and if it wasn't such a big part of my life I'd have binned it off ages ago but if I'm to carry on following football then I have to accept that money has won, romance and loyalty and integrity have died and this is just the way it is. It's not the same game anymore. Football is secondary to making lots of people in it lots and lots of money. If you can't beat 'em - join 'em. Against all what I've ever stood for but eventually you get beaten down and have to admit you're fighting a losing battle. Football is a cash cow and nobody is really interested in what happens lower down the food chain. Even in this country. The lack of knowledge from many Premier League fans about our own leagues and teams and players is staggering and I find it sad and a bit ignorant if I'm being honest. I'm sure the rest of the world will have heard of Manchester United but not Macclesfield Town, just like they have heard of Red Bull Salzburg and not Austria Salzburg. Size matters. Fookin' 'Ell. Why do we bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Fookin' 'Ell. Why do we bother? Well, the majority of football fans (and by that I do not mean Twitter 'followers' of clubs) support clubs, not franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, eddie said: Well, the majority of football fans (and by that I do not mean Twitter 'followers' of clubs) support clubs, not franchises. I may be misreading the situation but I think Gbororam may be having a joke at my expense with his reply rather than being genuinely distraught at the plight of Austrian football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 10 hours ago, Tony Le Mesmer said: Pretty much why I went the Red Bull way when the old Salzburg were bought out. A splinter club was formed called SV Austria Salzburg by fans angry at this and they began life in the lower reaches of Austrian football playing in the traditional purple of the old club. Meanwhile Red Bull Salzburg were formed, effectively as a new club and all the old history of the old club wiped out. The Red Bull Arena at Wals-Siezenheim was then to become the home for this football experiement. I went with Red Bull precisely due to what Radioactivewaste highlights -because it's top flight. I didn't want to do this but it is clear that football has changed and much like in society where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, in football it's the same now. SV Austria Salzburg have been formed by the passion and protest of a group of fans but they will never achieve anything. Once the angst has worn away they'll just end up being another lowly league club swaying from one game to the next with interest in them gradually waning. Don't get me wrong, I admire them for going it alone and sticking to their principles but the harsh fact is nobody cares about them. Not Austrian football, not Austrian football fans and not the footballing world. Football is full of sheep today and I decided to become one of them after years of sticking up for small and minority teams. I did this because there is really no other option. Football has already been destroyed IMO and if it wasn't such a big part of my life I'd have binned it off ages ago but if I'm to carry on following football then I have to accept that money has won, romance and loyalty and integrity have died and this is just the way it is. It's not the same game anymore. Football is secondary to making lots of people in it lots and lots of money. If you can't beat 'em - join 'em. Against all what I've ever stood for but eventually you get beaten down and have to admit you're fighting a losing battle. Football is a cash cow and nobody is really interested in what happens lower down the food chain. Even in this country. The lack of knowledge from many Premier League fans about our own leagues and teams and players is staggering and I find it sad and a bit ignorant if I'm being honest. I'm sure the rest of the world will have heard of Manchester United but not Macclesfield Town, just like they have heard of Red Bull Salzburg and not Austria Salzburg. Size matters. Is that why you became a Ram ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Red Bull teams can all cease to exist with immediate effect and it wouldn't be too soon. It's like Milton Keynes on overdrive... RB Leipzig are thoroughly not welcomed in Germany, and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 31 minutes ago, maydrakin said: Red Bull teams can all cease to exist with immediate effect and it wouldn't be too soon. It's like Milton Keynes on overdrive... RB Leipzig are thoroughly not welcomed in Germany, and rightfully so. I totally agree despite being a fan of RB Salzburg but the question is, what can we do about it? Absolutely nothing. If Arsenal changed their name to FC McDonalds Arsenal and charged £100 for a match ticket then come 3pm at home to Liverpool there wouldn't be an empty seat inside the Emirates. If a breakaway club was formed in protest called AFC Arsenal Woolwich then there would be three men and a dog there at a southern league groundshare. It's not my nature. I'm autistic. I like minority ideas that I can identify with but i go with the flow so I can fit in. I support McDonalds Arsenal. Now as I've said, i have a genetic birth defect. What's the excuse for the rest of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Anyway back on topic. If you sign Nicklas Bendtner then IMO you deserve all you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Tony Le Mesmer said: Anyway back on topic. If you sign Nicklas Bendtner then IMO you deserve all you get. I came close to naming him in the "your favorite Derby player" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Tony Le Mesmer said: I totally agree despite being a fan of RB Salzburg but the question is, what can we do about it? Absolutely nothing. If Arsenal changed their name to FC McDonalds Arsenal and charged £100 for a match ticket then come 3pm at home to Liverpool there wouldn't be an empty seat inside the Emirates. If a breakaway club was formed in protest called AFC Arsenal Woolwich then there would be three men and a dog there at a southern league groundshare. It's not my nature. I'm autistic. I like minority ideas that I can identify with but i go with the flow so I can fit in. I support McDonalds Arsenal. Now as I've said, i have a genetic birth defect. What's the excuse for the rest of them? I agree with your statement, however there are reasons to like the game a little less. The downright gamesmanship and cheating that goes on is something that annoys me immensely - and this also comes down to money. If Derby ever turned into some sort of abomination that you refer to above, I'd spend far more time watching my son play football. In fact, I look forward to watching his under 6 games on a Saturday morning just as much as I do watching Derby. As for Sky - I jettisoned that some years back and have never watched a super Sunday game since. And I don't miss it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 And whilst I am on the subject - I couldn't care less about the champions league, and have never watched it. I have far more interest in the likes of Forest (and Coventry, Charlton, Blackburn, etc.) and their current plight, and have far less contempt for them than for the global mega brands that clutter the top of the greed league. I would love to see the FA look to equally represent the whole of the footballing community rather than let the Premiership dictate the rules that keep as few noses in the trough as possible. However, I shan't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 The thing is though that Leicester a few years ago were a 'Blackburn' or a 'Charlton' that you were talking about being far more interested in and now they are fully exploiting their brief but spectacular success to try and get some of that market and be a global brand themselves. Derby would do the same I don't doubt if in the same position and then you have to decide whether to ride with the juggernaut, go and watch a club like Matlock Town knowing that situation almost certainly couldn't happen again OR just call time on your interest in football and Derby. The only reason why clubs like Derby, Forest, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday et al aren't cluttering up the greed league is because they've not had the chance yet. Once they get a foot in the door anything and everything will be milked like a thousand strong herd of dairy cows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Totally agree with you about the cheating as well. I find it embarrassing and it disrupts the flow of the game so much when crap refs are constantly blowing just because someone has 'felt an arm' so therefore 'is entitled to go down'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 @Tony Le Mesmer, why would the Salzburg splinter team not achieve anything? Look at how well AFC Wimbledon and FC United of Manchester have done in recent years. This may not be as glamorous as being in the Premier League, or the Austrian equivalent, but as you know full well, lower league football can be fantastic to follow. I wouldn't give in just yet mate, keep fighting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 11 hours ago, Tony Le Mesmer said: I may be misreading the situation but I think Gbororam may be having a joke at my expense with his reply rather than being genuinely distraught at the plight of Austrian football. Not as such. A lot of what you wrote, particularly about money, stands for top flight English football. I do wonder if can ever truly get back to what it was. It is depressing when you think about it in depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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