Srg Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Just now, curtains said: What is arrogant is thinking because we have the best away record in the league we can't improve on it. Have you got the statistics then ! Never said we couldn't improve, but I don't get how you could be complaining like you are either and citing other teams who have done worse than we have as a shining example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 33 minutes ago, emjlc02 said: I think against Brighton we need to use plan H, go 235 with Baird in the false no 7 position. They wont know what hit them. When we aren't playing well in a game, why do people always want the change the system, we got a point away from home against a strong side. If we had changed it and opened the game up (as Steve Mc used to sometimes do) and we had lost there would have been uproar on here. The game against Burnley at home I believed Clement should have been more attacking with his changes as the game was there to be won but on sunday we were not at our best and he did the right thing keeping solid and hoping we nicked one which we nearly did. On the other side of the coin, Clement brought on another striker just as we were starting to dominate in midfield against Leeds and it killed us as an attacking threat, and left us more vulnerable at the back. Seems ridiculous when fans talk about managers learning because we don't know half of what PC knows about the game, but from an uninformed outsider like me, it looks like he's tweaked some of his methods and does a lot of things differently now to how he did at the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 What was said last week......"CC: We have analyzed their weaknesses and we have prepared the players to target them " I wish I could be a fly on the wall during a discussion about our weaknesses (from an experienced coach, as oppose to the mind of super rams), I'd love to know what conclusions are made. I also wonder if different opposition come to different conclusions about our weaknesses. . On 12/4/2015 5:52:07, super rams said: Perhaps its......play high pressing game with two attacking midfielders, it keeps GT begged back, that then causes the other midfielders to sit deeper and isolating Martin- place two on Martin and it take him out of the game....... Putting it into practice lays tactician.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazram80 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 24 minutes ago, curtains said: What is arrogant is thinking because we have the best away record in the league we can't improve on it. Have you got the statistics then ! Losing at Forest wasn't good for my outlook on our away record. Top 8 teams in the league away results table 1st Derby played 10 W5 D4 L1 GF 11 GA 5 PTS 19 2nd Bham P 9 W5 D2 L2 GF 16 GA 9 PTS 17 3rd Boro P 10 W5 D2 L3 GF 13 GA 10 PTS 17 4th Brighton P 9 W3 D6 L0 GF 12 Ga 9 PTS 15 5th Hull P10 W4 D3 L3 GF 12 GA 8 PTS 15 6th Burnley P 9 W3 D5 L1 GF 9 GA 8 PTS 14 7th Cardiff P 9 W2 D5 L3 GF 10 GA 12 PTS 11 8th Sheff wed P9 W2 D4 L3 GF 10 GA 13 PTS 10 Hardly terrible form on the road and yes Losing to Forest is never good but get over it S$%£ happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Now if I can read us like a book - so every other coach can work it out. We have to find an answer - alternative game plan when the opposing team plays a high pressing game and nullifies GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwash_Ram Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The problem as i see it is when teams do that we then tend to sit deep and let them do it even more , we basically bend over and say take me. What we should do is if they press , we press harder . If our centre halfs are near the half way line and our midefielders are deep i their half, then they will have to go back and defend. If we do that we can scare any team in this league but Johnson and butterfield need to be brave and be full of movement and support martin for it to work, which is exacrly what they were not on sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 7 minutes ago, Bwash_Ram said: The problem as i see it is when teams do that we then tend to sit deep and let them do it even more , we basically bend over and say take me. What we should do is if they press , we press harder . If our centre halfs are near the half way line and our midefielders are deep i their half, then they will have to go back and defend. If we do that we can scare any team in this league but Johnson and butterfield need to be brave and be full of movement and support martin for it to work, which is exacrly what they were not on sunday. But when a good team ( Like Wednesday ) move the ball quick and get themselves out of tight areas time and time again it's very hard to implement that. Sometimes you an only play as well as they other team let you and despite all our good shape and pressing I thought Wednesday were very good in possession of the ball bat the final third and it was hard to win the ball back. Fair play to them, thought they played pretty well, just lacking in the final third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 hour ago, gazram80 said: Top 8 away results table 1st Derby played 10 W5 D4 L1 GF 11 GA 5 PTS 19 2nd Bham P 9 W5 D2 L2 GF 16 GA 9 PTS 17 3rd Boro P 10 W5 D2 L3 GF 13 GA 10 PTS 17 4th Brighton P 9 W3 D6 L0 GF 12 Ga 9 PTS 15 5th Hull P10 W4 D3 L3 GF 12 GA 8 PTS 15 6th Burnley P 9 W3 D5 L1 GF 9 GA 8 PTS 14 7th Cardiff P 9 W2 D5 L3 GF 10 GA 12 PTS 11 8th Sheff wed P9 W2 D4 L3 GF 10 GA 13 PTS 10 Hardly terrible form on the road and yes Losing to Forest is never good but get over it S$%£ happens. Thanks for this and I think it's significant when you analyze it We beat Hull away which was great . We have to play Burnley and Middlesbrough away and they will be tough and they both got draws at the IPRO . We drew with Sheff Wed and Birmingham away We have Cardiff away also not easy at all . We also have to play Brighton away in the penultimate game of the season which won't be easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 This is why I wish we really could steam roller every team, cus when we don't folks like @curtains & super-dooper WUM @super ram come out swinging, harping on about we should be amazing in every game, cus we're Derby County. This is why football is such fun, because it's unpredictable and anything could happen. If it wasn't bookies would go out of business very quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Have Middsbro and Burnley become predictable seeing as they have lost a few games ? , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 2 minutes ago, Ovis aries said: Have Middsbro and Burnley become predictable seeing as they have lost a few games ? , Doubt it and we have to go to their grounds having drawn at the IPRO with them. So all to play for this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 As it's December, I dare say "no ****, Sherlock". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 9 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: This is why I wish we really could steam roller every team, cus when we don't folks like @curtains & super-dooper WUM @super ram come out swinging, harping on about we should be amazing in every game, cus we're Derby County. This is why football is such fun, because it's unpredictable and anything could happen. If it wasn't bookies would go out of business very quickly... Question will we beat Boro, Burnley and Brighton and Cardiff away all in the top 6 We haven't really been tested away yet . What is predictable. That is predictable. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think we should go back to changing the system every game like the first 5 games of the season. It's the only sensible thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 4 minutes ago, curtains said: Doubt it and we have to go to their grounds having drawn at the IPRO with them. So all to play for this season My point is Middles have lost more games than us , so if we have been "worked out" so must they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 14 minutes ago, curtains said: Thanks for this and I think it's significant when you analyze it We beat Hull away which was great . We have to play Burnley and Middlesbrough away and they will be tough and they both got draws at the IPRO . We drew with Sheff Wed and Birmingham away We have Cardiff away also not easy at all . We also have to play Brighton away in the penultimate game of the season which won't be easy We should be promoted by the time we play Brighton away...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 minute ago, Ovis aries said: My point is Middles have lost more games than us , so if we have been "worked out" so must they have. I have no idea I don't watch them week in week out. . Super Rams has a point though but loyal Derby Fans dismiss other loyal Derby Fans all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 5 minutes ago, curtains said: Question will we beat Boro, Burnley and Brighton and Cardiff away all in the top 6 We haven't really been tested away yet . What is predictable. That is predictable. . I'm failing to understand any of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 minute ago, super rams said: We should be promoted by the time we play Brighton away...... Hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 We haven't been tested away? What do you call Hull then? Top of the league, best home record.. doesn't get more testing than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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