eddie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Neymar 23. 44 goals in 66. That's world class. How many goals has Rooney scored in major tournaments? How many have been against teams that barley have any registered professional footballers...Mmmmmm, barley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLACML Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Better drop him then. There's something between 'world class' and 'better drop him'. See if you can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Better drop him then. Says who? He certainly knows how to score in the qualifying stages. Just doesn't make him world class at international level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Neymar 23. 44 goals in 66. That's world class. How many goals has Rooney scored in major tournaments? How many have been against teams that barley have any registered professional footballers...oh dear god!Are you serious? How many goals do you think Rooney would score in the Brazil team?How many goals did Ryan Giggs score in WC finals? Just to add, the majority of Brazil's opponents are far worse than England's opponents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uptherams Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 oh dear god!Are you serious? How many goals do you think Rooney would score in the Brazil team?How many goals did Ryan Giggs score in WC finals?Calm down. No one is calling him ****. But a player that has done almost nothing in major tournaments is not world class on the international stage. One of the main reasons being in the Euros (qualifying groups or tournament) you face no none European sides (except for Israel). Same again with the World Cup qualifiers. Once every 4 years he is lucky to face 2 non European sides at a World Cup and not do much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLACML Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 oh dear god!Are you serious? How many goals do you think Rooney would score in the Brazil team?How many goals did Ryan Giggs score in WC finals? Just to add, the majority of Brazil's opponents are far worse than England's opponents!These are the last ten games of each side, I left out repeat teams (Slovenia once I think). It's not exactly clear cut but I'd say Brazil have played marginally harder teams. Their qualification is certainly far harder than England's ever is.Brazil - Costa Rica, Paraguay, Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, Honduras, Mexico, Chile, France, Austria England - San Marino, Slovenia, Ireland, Italy, Lithunia, Scotland, Estonia, Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Just to add, the majority of Brazil's opponents are far worse than England's opponents!Surely you are only referring to friendlies. Qualifying out of the South American group is infinitely more difficult than the cakewalk qualification groups England are presented with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 These are the last ten games of each side, I left out repeat teams (Slovenia once I think). It's not exactly clear cut but I'd say Brazil have played marginally harder teams. Their qualification is certainly far harder than England's ever is.Brazil - Costa Rica, Paraguay, Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, Honduras, Mexico, Chile, France, Austria England - San Marino, Slovenia, Ireland, Italy, Lithunia, Scotland, Estonia, Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica what are you basing that on? Aside of a couple of Mexicans, Chileans and Colombians, how many players play in top European leagues, compared to those specifically chosen last ten you mention?funny how the poster I was responding to mentioned Neymar's 44 in 66, at such a young age, I'd be interested in the opponents in which Neymar scored. That's a lot of games and a lot of friendlies and mickey mouse tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Seems pretty good to me with goals against Argentina etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Surely you are only referring to friendlies. Qualifying out of the South American group is infinitely more difficult than the cakewalk qualification groups England are presented with.I'm referring to the 66 caps in which Neymar scored 44 goals which somehow makes Rooney NOT world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLACML Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 what are you basing that on? Aside of a couple of Mexicans, Chileans and Colombians, how many players play in top European leagues, compared to those specifically chosen last ten you mention?funny how the poster I was responding to mentioned Neymar's 44 in 66, at such a young age, I'd be interested in the opponents in which Neymar scored. That's a lot of games and a lot of friendlies and mickey mouse tournaments.My opinion that they are far better sides than the average European sides. You are severely underestimating the South American leagues. I have no interest in the Neymar thing, or whether Rooney is world class. I was just responding to whether Brazil's opponents are much worse than England's. They aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 And how long ago were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 oh dear god!Are you serious? How many goals do you think Rooney would score in the Brazil team?How many goals did Ryan Giggs score in WC finals? Just to add, the majority of Brazil's opponents are far worse than England's opponents!Rooney would score far less for Brazil. Brazil are an average side these days and last couple of coaches have been clueless. Their current coach has dropped arguably the best defender in the world in Thiago Silva in favour of David Luiz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 what are you basing that on? Aside of a couple of Mexicans, Chileans and Colombians, how many players play in top European leagues, compared to those specifically chosen last ten you mention?funny how the poster I was responding to mentioned Neymar's 44 in 66, at such a young age, I'd be interested in the opponents in which Neymar scored. That's a lot of games and a lot of friendlies and mickey mouse tournaments.Neymar scores in major tournaments. He makes it to finals. He wins Golden Boots. He scores against sides from all over the world. You tend to rack up the appearances when you not only qualify for every tournament but also progress beyond the first knockout rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mostyn6 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Neymar scores in major tournaments. He makes it to finals. He wins Golden Boots. He scores against sides from all over the world. You tend to rack up the appearances when you not only qualify for every tournament but also progress beyond the first knockout rounds. its a stupid argument is my point. Why did you pick Neymar? Why not compare other world class players that play for rubbish countries. IN fact, how does Messi compare to Rooney at international level. Or even Ronaldo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Messi: "If you look at the technical ability of a player like Wayne Rooney, he is as good as any player in Europe""Rooney has exceptional quality. Not just great technical ability, but also works very hard for his team."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3122746/Lionel-Messi-hails-Manchester-United-striker-Wayne-Rooney-s-exceptional-quality-says-one-best-players-Europe.htmlI would say Messi is a good judge of a player. As someone said earlier, English love to bash what we have. Sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 its a stupid argument is my point. Why did you pick Neymar? Why not compare other world class players that play for rubbish countries. IN fact, how does Messi compare to Rooney at international level. Or even Ronaldo?Rooney hasn't performed for Man Utd for years so shouldn't be classed as world class. Messi and Ronaldo have been scoring 50, 60 goals year in year out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 its a stupid argument is my point. Why did you pick Neymar? Why not compare other world class players that play for rubbish countries. IN fact, how does Messi compare to Rooney at international level. Or even Ronaldo?It really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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