Bwash_Ram Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Anyone out there able to work out how much more we can pay out this season in transfers and wagesbefore we fall foul of the regulations?With rumoured multi-million pound offers for midfielders and attackers being mentioned, not to mention allegedly offering Antonio 30k a week , how far close to the wind are we sailing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Anyone out there able to work out how much more we can pay out this season in transfers and wagesbefore we fall foul of the regulations?With rumoured multi-million pound offers for midfielders and attackers being mentioned, not to mention allegedly offering Antonio 30k a week , how far close to the wind are we sailing?I guess that less of a monkeys is being given, on the back of the "harsh" punishment being doled out to QPR ie nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I've took last seasons squads contracts and existing sponsorship deals, added on Weimann, Ince, Shackell Bent, Pearce, Baird, Carson's transfer fees, signing on fees, contracts, bonuses, agent fees.Also added the total season ticket sales revenue, plus ticket sales so far received and ticket sales for the rest of the season including a FA Cup run which takes us to the Quarter Finals v Chelsea. I've also added in the new deal with 3AAA for our training kit sponsor and that orange one on the back of the shirt and all merchandise sales received so far and for the rest of the season.I may be a few pounds out here but we're looking around the undisclosed kind of figure, which should be enough to see us sign Butterfield, Reed and Antonio without falling foul of FFP.Oh and that's without adding on our bonus for winning the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwash_Ram Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Daveo you need to add another button to the forum , instead of just clicking "like" i wanted to click "I sausaging love this" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I've took last seasons squads contracts and existing sponsorship deals, added on Weimann, Ince, Shackell Bent, Pearce, Baird, Carson's transfer fees, signing on fees, contracts, bonuses, agent fees.Also added the total season ticket sales revenue, plus ticket sales so far received and ticket sales for the rest of the season including a FA Cup run which takes us to the Quarter Finals v Chelsea. I've also added in the new deal with 3AAA for our training kit sponsor and that orange one on the back of the shirt and all merchandise sales received so far and for the rest of the season.I may be a few pounds out here but we're looking around the undisclosed kind of figure, which should be enough to see us sign Butterfield, Reed and Antonio without falling foul of FFP.Oh and that's without adding on our bonus for winning the Championship.What about that 250,000 semolias that we won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 What about that 250,000 semolias that we wonWell that I forgot and proves why amateur accountants like myself should stay well away from threads like these and wait for Ramblur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I miss Ramblur! Hope he's okay and not in pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I miss Ramblur! Hope he's okay and not in pain. he'll be fine, one quick snip and he will be firing blanks in no time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 he'll be fine, one quick snip and he will be firing blanks in no time...He wasn't happy in his latter few weeks posting about a month back. He occasionally posted a grumble about being in pain, which means (in my mind), he's have been in real pain if he's mentioning it in posts.This forum can be so anonymous, we would probably never know if something bad happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t'oldu Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Somebody from the Club management assured us that FFP was no problem because transfer fees were being paid on the drip to keep us within permitted limits. The accountants and hierarchy know what they are about......and I guess creative accounting is widespread amongst clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I guess that less of a monkeys is being given, on the back of the "harsh" punishment being doled out to QPR ie nothingI hope this isn't the case considering the transfer embargo our local rivals are currently under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ramblur, giz a songRamblur Ramblur giz a song.@G STAR RAM and @davenportram are smart blokes though. No good asking the minions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aljosa_fan Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 My understanding of the new financial fair play rules is that you are allowed £39m of aggregated losses over the next 3 years. This is quite a lot more lenient than the old rules which were a cap of £7m losses in any particular year.The last financial year for which accounts are available to 30 June 2014 Derby made a loss of £7m. It is worth noting that transfer fees don’t directly increase the costs as these are spread (or amortised for the accountants out there) over the period of the contract. So for example Ince cost £4.75m but this cost will be spread over his 4 year contract (£1.2m per year).The bigger impact will be the increase in the wage bill of all the new signings, and we can’t really say for certain how much each player is earning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ramblur, giz a songRamblur Ramblur giz a song.@G STAR RAM and @davenportram are smart blokes though. No good asking the minions. accounting is the black magic voodoo pf mathematics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRam Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 maybe the board doesnt trust clement i knwo i dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 maybe the board doesnt trust clement i knwo i dontwhy not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRam Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 i dont think hees expereinced enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 i dont think hees expereinced enough but Clement isn't anywhere near the financials. Quite right too. Companies discovered ages ago you needed subject matter experts and the deals and rules complexity makes some specialist financial nous almost as De rigour as the boot man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Ramblur, giz a songRamblur Ramblur giz a song.@G STAR RAM and @davenportram are smart blokes though. No good asking the minions. I'll be honest, I've taken no notice of FFP in the slightest.We only get to see historical information (the accounts) which are between 9 and 21 months old, add into this wage increases and undisclosed transfer fees on undisclosed terms and you have got no chance of working out where we stand.Plus there are people a the club who are paid to look after this side of affairs so why bother worrying about it?!Would be interesting to hear clubs current stance on the matter. Anyone know what has happened to John Vicars? He appears to have disappeared from the radar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diag Ram Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Sorry to bring this thread back up, some interesting reading. I recall Sam Rush saying that FFP would not be a problem this year, something I was sceptical about given the pay rises/more expensive players, loan fees (which hit the profit/loss immediately, as they relate to that season), and the loss of TV revenue due to the play offs. I did a very rough exercise a while ago and I reckoned that to hit the £6m max loss permitted for 2014/15 that we would need additional revenue/cost savings of £3-5m, after taking into account a slight increase in gate receipts. It will be interesting to see where we end up when the accounts are published. Agree with Daveo though that it's impossible to know what the final result is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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