Wolfie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This really isn't difficult. At Madrid and everywhere else, he was just a coach. At Derby, he is having to do a whole load more - tactics, team selection, motivation etc. That is the stuff he appears to be struggling with. Just because he can coach at a high level, it doesn't magically give him the ability to do everything else require of a manager.Except that it does appear to be very difficult.Do you know what he really did at his former clubs?. How do you know he wasn't involved in wider aspects of the game?.How do you know it's not the players who are struggling to adapt and do what is asked of them?. Things looked better versus Villarreal and Burton. How do you know he's struggling to motivate the players?. Have you asked them?I agree with the last statement but you can't form a conclusion based on guesses, speculation and estimates as to what his experience actually is plus the evidence from just 2 poor games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Except that it does appear to be very difficult.Do you know what he really did at his former clubs?. How do you know he wasn't involved in wider aspects of the game?.How do you know it's not the players who are struggling to adapt and do what is asked of them?. Things looked better versus Villarreal and Burton. How do you know he's struggling to motivate the players?. Have you asked them?I agree with the last statement but you can't form a conclusion based on guesses, speculation and estimates as to what his experience actually is plus the evidence from just 2 poor games.All of the problems were very very apparent against Burton and Villareal as well (and Utrecht via the video stream). We just got away with it because it was pre-season and teams weren't going hell-for-leather against us. Those problems are now getting exposed in competitive games. The thing that's worrying to me is that the problems are so obvious - even the Sky commentators were picking up on the lack of width and the problems it was causing us - so why isn't Clement trying to fix it? And as for the players struggling to adapt, that's the root of the problem. He's trying to get almost every single player in the squad doing something they're not comfortable with - it's no surprise we look like we do.I have no idea for sure what he was doing at Madrid etc, but it's safe to say he wasn't completely in charge of coaching and picking the team and designing the tactics, otherwise what was Ancelotti doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 In my humble opinion we need to address the midfield, defence seems as if it will be ok soon, I don't feel Hendrick showed much last night, Dawkins was ok, Baird should be RB, not midfield... but Hughes is a massive loss as we know and I feel we need a loan asap to link us up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 So you are saying he was not a coach at Real Madrid. Just like he wasn't a coach at Chelsea, or PSG or Fulham, or Blackburn, or Republic of Ireland U21.I realise this is getting pedantic but it's hard to have an intelligent argument with somebody who is just wrong on basic facts.I will say it again, it is a gamble, as he has never held this position previously.Being involved with any form of coahing at PSG and RM is poles apart from being no.1 at Derby.Working with Ancelotti he will have picked up masses of skills, being able to transfer them to a championship side is the difficult part.Clements has had training with the players for 2 mouths and we're only 2 games in, but the alarming thing is I don't see any improvement on the last 10 games of the season, at least in those games we were creating chances and scoring goals. Yes I know we were conceding at the back for fun as well. But looking at the preseason games together with the last two, have we improved? Well sort of, we are not leaking goals in anymore, but we are also not attacting like we used to, we are not even creating chances, the performances have been poor and certainly not what I was expecting.Clement came out and said that we have to play different formations, unfortunately the current one is not working, do we have a plan B? Why when a team that had two of the best widemen in the division do we play narrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I will say it again, it is a gamble, as he has never held this position previously.Nobody will argue with that. Of course it was a gamble.I'm just surprised and disappointed that seemingly a number of fans are wanting to throw their cards onto the table so quickly.If instant improvement in results is all we wanted, why didn't we go & hire Stuart Pearce?. He's got legendary honeymoon period results but quickly tails off. The club is wanting progression and you can't judge on that after so few games.If things haven't improved after a dozen league games, I'll be criticizing but it's crazy talk to say we've made the wrong choice now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon the ram 2009 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 do you mean you disagree on Carson over Grant?If so thats fine, but taking the two games, Carson performed better. no just seeing Carson's name rather than grants was all I wanted to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 People who are saying we are learning as we have a new manager. Well Pompey have a new manager, a load of new players and it was there reserves playing last night. Yet they all seemed to know their jobs and how they were expected to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I think the problem may be that the key director effectively decided that we needed multiple formations, and that 433 was too open etc etc.so PC has been asked to solve the problems that they reckon schteve couldn't solve.at the end of the season we were too open, so one formation option seemed to be designed to make us more compact.However sometimes when you try to solve a problem you just swap one problem for anotherthe diamond shows Ancelotti's influence but the narrow formation v bolton was an alarming tactical shift as the numerous weaknesses in the system are all too obvious.I think the transfer activity has created a selection problem. Ince isn't a central midfielder. baird is a full back.Has Dawkins got the mentality to dominate the midfield? Where do weimann, bryson and hendrick fit in? Atm for me its.................................CARSONBAIRD........KEOGG.......SHACKELL......??........................THORNEINCE..............DAWKINS......RUSSELL............WEIMANN.......MARTINAnd stop worrying about giving everyone a game. Settle on an 11 and let the others suffer.Sub hendrick for Dawkins if he's not on it.thats about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It has been ONE league game!!! I must say I am amazed at the overreaction on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby blood Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Calm down everyone,it's been 1 game,and 1 cup game,it will change,our squad is very strong in this league,I have every confidence,we will all be smiling come the start of May,so stop moaning and get behind the team,on Saturday at Bolton,there was so many bloody moaners,for God sake the season has just started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorksopRam Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Jesus Christ, we've played one proper game. Nobody cares for the cup. What is wrong with everyone? Give it 10 games and if/when we're looking the part, I'll be on these threads, quoting all the dullards for jumping the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertRam Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 What if we had won both matches, would everyone be happy then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Its is not that we draw and lost, its the manner in which we played that is concerning......... What if we had won both matches, would everyone be happy then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 So much hand-wringing from fans at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 What if we had won both matches, would everyone be happy then?? not everyone, no. Some people never are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idiakez Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I think the problem may be that the key director effectively decided that we needed multiple formations, and that 433 was too open etc etc.so PC has been asked to solve the problems that they reckon schteve couldn't solve.at the end of the season we were too open, so one formation option seemed to be designed to make us more compact.However sometimes when you try to solve a problem you just swap one problem for anotherthe diamond shows Ancelotti's influence but the narrow formation v bolton was an alarming tactical shift as the numerous weaknesses in the system are all too obvious.I think the transfer activity has created a selection problem. Ince isn't a central midfielder. baird is a full back.Has Dawkins got the mentality to dominate the midfield? Where do weimann, bryson and hendrick fit in? Atm for me its.................................CARSONBAIRD........KEOGG.......SHACKELL......??........................THORNEINCE..............DAWKINS......RUSSELL............WEIMANN.......MARTINAnd stop worrying about giving everyone a game. Settle on an 11 and let the others suffer.Sub hendrick for Dawkins if he's not on it.thats about it. How can you complain about us being too open then suggest a team with ONE central midfielder?! I give up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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