LesterRam Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 confused.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 yes Hants .( and thanks for the link Animalisa) I had always thought that until I read a little about the Shrovetide ashbourne thing. My guess is that the horse race hypothesis is right and the mayhem ball game tagged on to it. But in a logical, if not historical sense, the football game explanation sounds better .. After all a Derby is more than just a sporting contest .. It's the local rivalry and heightened passion element that isn't covered in the horse race / general sporting contest. Love history and I do go on a bit ! ?I too love history mate, so no need to apologise for that.And I quite like etymology so I think what we have here is the use of "derby" to describe a fixture - I think in any sport, not just footie - which is between two local sides has evolved as a diminutive form of "local derby".The original use of "derby" would have then been to describe any contest as not being necessarily between local sides.I go on a bit also..........and really I'm a mathematician by profession so can claim to be nothing more than an enthusiastic amateur in these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I have a friend in America who lives in Derby, Kansas. The irony is that we didn't get to know each other for those obvious reasons, we figured out this coincidence later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 And a 'derby' does indeed come from the Shrovetide football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 And a 'derby' does indeed come from the Shrovetide football match.really? So in medieval England 2 teams engage in a sport in Ashbourne and decide to name their contest after a market ttown happening to be relatively close by?by that reasoning they could equally have called it a "buxton"?On second thoughts, what a chance missed! We could play 2 buxtons a year against the trees. ......??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 really? So in medieval England 2 teams engage in a sport in Ashbourne and decide to name their contest after a market ttown happening to be relatively close by?by that reasoning they could equally have called it a "buxton"?On second thoughts, what a chance missed! We could play 2 buxtons a year against the trees. ......???Shrovetide was in Derby before it was in Ashbourne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Presume you mean the custom of playing a game rather than the religious festival? This is new news and counter revolutionary to my teaching in Belper. I am learning! What's the source of this intelligence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRam Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 its spelled derby county Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixman1884 Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 This is a slight anomoly here dude..."Derby" is a proper noun... It's the name of the place and therefore the name of the team... It's not a flexible spelling... it's ALWAYS "Derby County"I'm pretty sure all the replica kits and tv coverage over here spell it D'Arby Countee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_DCFC_1994 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I thought the club was founded by vampires, the Derby counts.So naturally the club was aptly named Derby County? ... I'll get my coat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Presume you mean the custom of playing a game rather than the religious festival? This is new news and counter revolutionary to my teaching in Belper. I am learning! What's the source of this intelligence? Apologies, yes. Shrovetide football. There were infact many locations of 'mob football' such as the Shrovetide games, but the one in Derby was done before medieval times. Ended with the reading of the Riot Act in 1846 and never returned.Ashbourne's just happens to be the most well known, probably due to it being enacted in the present day.Source: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/City-s-Shrovetide-match-birth-local-derby-phrase/story-17187254-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Apologies, yes. Shrovetide football. There were infact many locations of 'mob football' such as the Shrovetide games, but the one in Derby was done before medieval times. Ended with the reading of the Riot Act in 1846 and never returned.Ashbourne's just happens to be the most well known, probably due to it being enacted in the present day.Source: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/City-s-Shrovetide-match-birth-local-derby-phrase/story-17187254-detail/story.htmlfair play mate Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I thought the club was founded by vampires, the Derby counts.So naturally the club was aptly named Derby County? ... I'll get my coat...You needn't have ever took it off. Get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 While the Jury is still out on how do you say Derby County I thought I might mention in passing that in Anglo Saxon English, Nottingham was called Snott .. The Ingham came later as that means people .. In translation it means the Land of the followers of Snott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Darvi Kaunti As in the way the Mexicans would write it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 champions elect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixman1884 Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well, sadly we're still yet to establish the correct spelling of "Derby County", but there's been some interesting and productive discussion nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 its spelled derby countyWizard spelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Revel .. What is in that wheelbarrow ? Looks like a very Big Mac with designer stubble or a rare giant albino hedgehog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorksopRam Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Well, sadly we're still yet to establish the correct spelling of "Derby County", but there's been some interesting and productive discussion nonetheless.You've just done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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