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Rosberg wasnt happy with hamiltons overtake on the first corner...he did push him wide but down the the conditions rather than any malice....now for deliberate actions....valentino rossi in yesterdays moto gp

 

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That sentence sums up why F1 is in such an awful state

How's that then? he pretty much forced him off the track. Could be worse, could be like American Football, you moved to quick, stop, everyone back for a group hug let's slow this down we're here all night, no rush

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How's that then? he pretty much forced him off the track. Could be worse, could be like American Football, you moved to quick, stop, everyone back for a group hug let's slow this down we're here all night, no rush

Nice, petty response there.

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Nice, petty response there.

True tho.

I struggle to see how F1 is in an awful state because one driver isn't happy his team mate forced him off the track. Would it make it more entertaining if they allowed this? turned it into a big stock car race? possibly but very expensive and dangerous. 

The only thing you can really throw at F1 is that Mercedes are so far ahead of the rest it's not even competitive at times but you can apply this to any sport, Bayern in the Bundesliga, not even worth considering any other team to win the league.

People throw yeah but Hamilton isn't anything special, wouldn't win it in a Sauber, well that's pretty obvious, Messi wouldn't win the Premier League in a Sunderland team. 

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True tho.

I struggle to see how F1 is in an awful state because one driver isn't happy his team mate forced him off the track. Would it make it more entertaining if they allowed this? turned it into a big stock car race? possibly but very expensive and dangerous. 

The only thing you can really throw at F1 is that Mercedes are so far ahead of the rest it's not even competitive at times but you can apply this to any sport, Bayern in the Bundesliga, not even worth considering any other team to win the league.

People throw yeah but Hamilton isn't anything special, wouldn't win it in a Sauber, well that's pretty obvious, Messi wouldn't win the Premier League in a Sunderland team. 

I think hamilton is something special as a driver, i think had he been in a williams this year for example he would have won a race or two.

 

 

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Toto Wolff's view - agree completely with this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34640716

The dispute between team-mates Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg following the US Grand Prix has been "blown out of proportion", Mercedes say. 

Rosberg threw a cap at Hamilton after the race, in which the drivers touched while disputing the lead at the start.

Hamilton's win at Sunday's race in Austin sealed the World Championship. 

Team boss Toto Wolff said: "If it were drivers from different teams, it would be seen as completely normal, what we all love to see and like it should be.

"But because it was team-mates, and they touched, we are going to discuss it, as we did many things in the past."

He added that the situation was "political not critical".

In an exclusive interview with BBC Sport, Wolff also addressed Rosberg's behaviour after the race.

The Turn One incident

Rosberg was unhappy after the race about their battle at Turn One after the start, describing Hamilton's driving in running the German wide and off the track as "very aggressive".

Wolff said: "It is what we want to see and it is what we owe to the fans. It is what racing is about. We don't want to have remote-control puppets who drive around with a metre distance between themselves. It is not how these guys are calibrated and it is not what people want to see and we don't want to see it either.

"But because there is such a huge resource in the team and so many people putting so much effort into delivering such a race car, we don't want any rift to happen between the two sides of the garages."

Wolff added that he "does not like" the drivers' cars to touch when they are racing but added: "It happens in racing cars between two drivers and it happens even more in the wet. 

"But one thing is for sure, it was not intentional from Lewis and it caused a situation where they just touched wheels and that is something that can end in a tricky way for the team, but it didn't."

He added: "Can it be avoided? No. Will it cause us grey hair in the future? It will. But within the team you can talk about such situations and try to avoid them best in the future."

The cap-throwing incident

Hamilton, 30, was celebrating the fact he had clinched the world title in the room in which the drivers gather before going out on to the podium.

Just before doing so, he threw the cap for the second-placed driver to Rosberg, 30, who immediately threw it back at him before refusing to take part in the traditional champagne-spraying ceremony on the podium.

Wolff said: "These boys have known each other for 25 years and it was like throwing the cap to your mate and saying, 'Time to go on the podium.' 

"The other guy is upset about the whole race. Most upset about having lost the race, about having thrown it away himself, and he just throws the cap back. It is emotions and it is good. These boys have emotions and that's what F1 and racing is all about. Completely normal."

He added that Rosberg's mood was caused by the error on lap 48 in which he gifted the lead of the race to Hamilton. Had the German won the race, Hamilton would not have clinched the title on Sunday.

Wolff said: "He was angry with everybody, with the world, with Lewis, with himself. 

"As a sportsperson you just feel like vomiting and the good or the bad thing about F1 is it happens under the eyes of millions of spectators. Every move and every sentence and every emotion is being analysed. But it is completely normal."

What next?

The Turn One incident was the latest of several over the last two years in which Rosberg has come off worse against Hamilton in wheel-to-wheel racing.

But Wolff said he was not concerned that Rosberg would try to retaliate either at this weekend's race in Mexico or in the future.

"We have had many situations before where we sat down and discussed, not just about the drivers and on-track incidents, but how to optimise the team as well," Wolff said.

"This is how we tackle things and I am sure once we are in Mexico it will all be fine."

He said that although both the drivers' and constructors' titles were not won, Mercedes would not alter their approach over the remaining three races.

"We will enter those races with the same approach we have had in the past," Wolff said. 

"We need to keep the tension in the situation and not relax. It is about winning races. That is our approach and mentality - but equally the 2016 world championship

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True tho.

I struggle to see how F1 is in an awful state because one driver isn't happy his team mate forced him off the track. Would it make it more entertaining if they allowed this? turned it into a big stock car race? possibly but very expensive and dangerous. 

Hamilton's move was fine - his team haven't sanctioned him and the stewards took no action. He was ahead, it was his corner, and the only reason they touched (lightly) was because Hamilton got some wicked understeer on entry to the corner.

Just like Suzuka, in a moment where it really mattered, Rosberg showed his weakness and gave Hamilton half a chance in the first couple of corners - and half a chance is all Hamilton really needs.

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Major story I forgot to put on this thread, but anyway, Bernie has once again thrown a strop about Le Mans and has moved the Azerbaijan GP to be the same weekend as the 24 Hours.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121327

Motorsport in general is the real loser as Hulkenberg can't defend his title, Alonso has to wait yet another year to fulfill his dream after it looked like Honda might release him for the weak, and Ricciardo and Vettel won't get a shot at it either after being linked with drives.

I hate what that little man has done to the sport. He just loves to ruin the fun for everyone.

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Tbf though, that was only a five year period, Schumi's first couple of titles were with Benneton. 

You're probably right though, I can't see them ever letting one team become so consistently dominant again. If it looks like they are, then they'll just change the rules.

Hamilton's best chance is probably to recognise when it's time to leave Mercedes for the next big Constructor.

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BBC Sport is to "reluctantly" end its Formula 1 television contract three years early as part of savings across the corporation.

Channel 4 will take on the BBC's F1 broadcast rights from next season.

"The current financial position of the BBC means some tough and unwanted choices have to be made," said Barbara Slater, the BBC's director of sport.

However, BBC Radio 5 live has extended its commentary rights for F1 until the 2021 season.

BBC Sport broadcast 10 live races of Briton Lewis Hamilton's world championship-winning season in 2015 with a one-hour build-up to each grands prix. It also offered extensive highlights of the nine other races.

But as part of a £150m gap in the corporation's finances from next year, BBC Sport was asked to deliver £35m of savings.

"A significant chunk of BBC Sport's savings target will be delivered through the immediate termination of our TV rights agreement for Formula 1," added Slater.

"Any decision to have to stop broadcasting a particular sport or sporting event is hugely disappointing and taken reluctantly.

"There are no easy solutions; all of the options available would be unpopular with audiences."

BBC Sport regained F1 rights from ITV in 2009 but - in another cost-saving move - had been sharing the broadcast rights with Sky Sports since the 2012 season.

"These are very challenging times for the BBC and sport is not immune to those financial pressures," added Slater.

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