Angry Ram Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Just a quick question . Did you got to the Burton freindly Tuesday night because if you I did and I was just amazed at how well and at ease Hughes looked in the Thorne role. What's more it gave him more of the ball to influence the game and display his skills . He just looked a class above . One mazey run and shot at goal was outstanding. He's a class act and seems to have grown since last season . He looks stronger. No mate I am away at the moment. I have no doubt Will can play there but for me when he does, we lack his input unlocking stubborn defences. He played there against Notts and did fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 0 defensive work.I don't think the defensive side is a problem but I take your point but we are mostly on the front foot anyway particularly in home games. The problem with Eustace is he's good defensively but is not very quick at distributing the ball and then has to often lunge at the last minute to get the ball out of his feet. Hughes makes space for himself and distributes the ball brilliantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I don't think the defensive side is a problem but I take your point. The problem with Eustace is he's good defensively but is not very quick at distributing the ball and then has to often lunge at the last minute to get the ball out of his feet. Hughes makes space for himself and distributes the ball brilliantly. Eustace is also too slow when defending. Hence the amount of stupid booking he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 No mate I am away at the moment. I have no doubt Will can play there but for me when he does, we lack his input unlocking stubborn defences. He played there against Notts and did fine.I actually think he has more of an influence on the game in that role and will be a revelation this season. I must admit I was amazed at Burton . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Eustace is also too slow when defending. Hence the amount of stupid booking he got.I don't want to over criticize Eustace I think he has a role at Derby. But will be used as and when required in certain situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK47 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I think we should get a loan, But I also think Hughes can adapt to the roll and think he could emulate parts of Thornes game aswel. You don't have to be a monster to play CDM (See Claude makalele, tho he was strong!) you just have to be able to read the game well and have a decent ball retention/distribution which I think Will is more capable of doin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I think we should get a loan, But I also think Hughes can adapt to the roll and think he could emulate parts of Thornes game aswel. You don't have to be a monster to play CDM (See Claude makalele, tho he was strong!) you just have to be able to read the game well and have a decent ball retention/distribution which I think Will is more capable of doinI think the Carroll loan would be ideal but lots don't and I doubt now it's happening. I hope it does though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilsonram12 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Remember eustace did ok for 30+ games until his suspension let Thorne in, I don't think Hughes is good enough for that role in the tough championship and we'd lose his creativity spark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Remember eustace did ok for 30+ games until his suspension let Thorne in, I don't think Hughes is good enough for that role in the tough championship and we'd lose his creativity spark That seems to be the main argument for Eustace... but consider that the team may have done well despite Eustace? It was clear when Thorne came in we did even better because of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's one year on and no one gets any younger I'm surprised Eustace is still at Derby . When the new season starts it will be an eye opener just how good Hughes is in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Eustace was our main CDM in our best patch of form of last season. People doubted and criticised him before he even stepped on the pitch last season and then had an outstanding season in my opinion only shadowed by the sheer class that Thorne brought. If Eustace can perform as well as he did when he played last season, then he's good enough for a promotion chasing team. His experience to see out games is also a bonus over playing Hughes who I doubt will be as good defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Eustace was our main CDM in our best patch of form of last season. People doubted and criticised him before he even stepped on the pitch last season and then had an outstanding season in my opinion only shadowed by the sheer class that Thorne brought. If Eustace can perform as well as he did when he played last season, then he's good enough for a promotion chasing team. His experience to see out games is also a bonus over playing Hughes who I doubt will be as good defensively. I think that's exactly what he should be. Experience to see out games. Don't think he's who you want to be starting, say at home when we will have most of the ball and need to break teams down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Eustace was our main CDM in our best patch of form of last season. People doubted and criticised him before he even stepped on the pitch last season and then had an outstanding season in my opinion only shadowed by the sheer class that Thorne brought. If Eustace can perform as well as he did when he played last season, then he's good enough for a promotion chasing team. His experience to see out games is also a bonus over playing Hughes who I doubt will be as good defensively.Your really overrating Eustace that's for sure. Thorne was his replacement because Eustace will not last the pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I think that's exactly what he should be. Experience to see out games. Don't think he's who you want to be starting, say at home when we will have most of the ball and need to break teams down. Hughes is undoubtedly a better footballer. His ball retention, passing and vision is exceptional. That makes him perfect for the CDM position when we're attacking. However, what Eustace does well is protect the back 4 so while he may not be as good on the ball as Hughes, he is far better defensively offering support to the back 4 than Hughes would be. I agree about Hughes being better if we need to break a team down but wouldn't that mean Hughes would be better off the bench if we were struggling to break teams down in the 1st half for example? I imagine we will see them both play that role this season and which one starts will depend on the opponent. If we're coming up against a Millwall type side who haven't come to play football but to be overly physical and knock us around, then I'd imagine we'll start Eustace. In a game like that Hughes wouldn't see the ball because he'd get knocked off too easily. If we're facing someone like Brighton for example then I think Hughes should start because his technical abilities would be of more use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Your really overrating Eustace that's for sure. Thorne was his replacement because Eustace will not last the pace. Thorne wasn't getting in the side over Eustace. He only started because Eustace was suspended... I don't think I am over-rating him to be honest. Eustace provided exactly what we were desperately lacking the season before; a player to sit in front of the back 4 and add defensive support. Also, nobody thought Eustace would ''last the pace'' last season but he ended up being one of our most consistent players. I don't see a reason that can't happen again. Yes, he's a year older but the management team must think he's still very much able or they would have let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Thorne wasn't getting in the side over Eustace. He only started because Eustace was suspended... I don't think I am over-rating him to be honest. Eustace provided exactly what we were desperately lacking the season before; a player to sit in front of the back 4 and add defensive support. Also, nobody thought Eustace would ''last the pace'' last season but he ended up being one of our most consistent players. I don't see a reason that can't happen again. Yes, he's a year older but the management team must think he's still very much able or they would have let him go.I was advocating a holding midfielder when Nigel was at Derby and I was delighted when he brought Eustace in but even Nigel used Eustace sparingly . I think Hughes will have the main DM role this season unless we bring someone in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I was advocating a holding midfielder when Nigel was at Derby and I was delighted when he brought Eustace in but even Nigel used Eustace sparingly . I think Hughes will have the main DM role this season unless we bring someone in . I think Hughes probably will be the main CDM but I think there will be certain games where Eustace's experience and defensive qualities could be very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I think Hughes probably will be the main CDM but I think there will be certain games where Eustace's experience and defensive qualities could be very useful.Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikaze Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Would much rather have a player who can cover our attacking fullbacks, support our centre halfs and win the ball back, none of which is Will's strengths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Thorne gave us the boost we needed. He didn't play much but he did make a big impact really. His debut was Forest? Derby 1-0 QPR Wednesday 0-1 Derby Derby 1-0 Bournemouth Burnley 2-0 Derby Derby 0-1 Millwall Derby 0-0 Bolton Reading 0-0 Derby Then Thorne came in Derby 5-0 Forest Ipswich 2-1 Derby Derby 3-0 Charlton Boro 1-0 Derby Blackpool 1-3 Derby Derby 3-1 Huddersfield Doncaster 0-2 Derby Derby 2-1 Barnsley Derby 4-2 Watford Brighton 1-2 Derby Derby 4-1 Brighton He definitely made an impact. Performances were better too and we'll miss that bit extra that he gives us. I don't think we can do much about that unless we buy/loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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