sausagemeat Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Keogh is awful, another dross signing. I can rememeber all those people who said he was better than Shackle when we signed him in their blind defence of the former manager. Lets hope he can be on his way to Sheff Utd or somewhere asap. Get Wisdom at CB , lets have a look at him in his true position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Even Tom Naylor looked good alongside Shackell (I know he's right footed, I missed the point, but my own point stands) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I'm just not sure you can use other players not covering for Keogh making a calamtous balls-up of what should be simple things (for a good standard Championship defender) as an excuse. Keogh often: - struggles to make simple passes without taking an age to shape his body, which the opposition can read like a book. - struggles to make more incisive passes without putting too much on it, blasting it at his targetted player so they struggle control it - can not play accurate high balls. (He just can't) - doesn't head the ball clear of goal, often heads weakly no no more than 10 yards, usually to an opponent - lacks body strength to win aerial challenges - doesn't know when he should stand off a player and when he should close them down, then when he does make a decision: - rushes/bumbles into tackles that leave him totally exposed (not just at CB, down the wings too - his lack of commmunication was Freeman caused us so many problems in the home matches) - pushes up to try to head balls in midfield, which he doesn't win, with the ball bouncing/flying over his head. You can excuse these things if they happen every so often, no defender is perfect, but when they're a common occurance you've got a problem. For what it's worth I don't think Keogh displayed most of these against Birmingham, just the ball-at-feet ones. The last 3 you could sometimes accuse Buxton of, but he seems to have become much more disciplined - perhaps it is because Keogh's being the more aggressive (in terms of attacking the ball) of the 2 and it's enabled him to be a bit deeper. ALSO: I Still have no idea how relegated, admin threatened Coventry who would go on to not even have their own ground managed to get anything more than 500k out of us for this deal, or any deal for that matter. Let alone double that. It's a ridiculous amount of money to pay a club in their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Some selective memories about Shackell here. I thought he was ok. Bit like Keogh last season. But he used to drive me mad. He'd do brilliantly to turn an attacker to play his way out of trouble, then spray a Hollywood pass straight to the opposition CB. He's a slight improvement on what we have now, but I don't think he was this fantastic CB that anyone looked good next to. He wouldn't be the difference between where we are now and top six, IMO. I think we either need a true leader at the back that Keogh can look up to and learn from, or give the captaincy to Bryson/Eustace to take that responsibility off him. Buxton and Keogh should be a more than adequate partnership towards the top of this league, but by and large only 50% of that partnership is performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Keogh is awful, another dross signing. I'm not his biggest fan but he's far from awful and dross. He's pretty average, does as many good things as bad. The fee we paid for him makes it worse though. If we were describing Claude Davis and Darren Moore in our PL season then that's how I would describe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC_17 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 ironic how most people hating on keogh, probably voted for him last season for POTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I'm not his biggest fan but he's far from awful and dross. He's pretty average, does as many good things as bad. The fee we paid for him makes it worse though. If we were describing Claude Davis and Darren Moore in our PL season then that's how I would describe them. To be fair my rating of dross was to harsh , please see new thread on player ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I am glad we have now got more options for CB because Keogh has got a dodgy side that right now we can not afford to have. Perhaps lessen the pressure on him and give Eustace the captaincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 That was the thing with Shackell. His distribution was poor. Needed to cut that out big time and he'd be as good as you can get outside the PL. Keogh probably needs a couple of clean sheets and a handful of solid performances to get himself calm and focused. Unfortunately our poor defending comes from the flanks too so in not sure he's getting a fair deal. The whole team has defended poorly and it's improved massively since Eustace stepped in. Forsyth needs to wake up and Smith too. With Wisdom stepping in at RB I pray that he's going to solve half the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 We miss Gareth Roberts. He wouldn't be the long term answer but a player of his ilk, solid defensively, would be welcome right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 We miss Gareth Roberts. He wouldn't be the long term answer but a player of his ilk, solid defensively, would be welcome right now. Can't get into a struggling Bury team at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Can't get into a struggling Bury team at the mo. Yep, got into a midtable Championship team 5 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbydave96 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think that he could go on to become a better player and if he came into our defence a few seasons back he could really have developed, (bray - keogh - shackell - Roberts) as he would not have had as much pressure, however he is not going to get any better in our current set up IMO and he currently just isn't good enough to lead our defence, has been 2nd best to bucko and whitbread (from what I've seen of him) all season, would much prefer to see an experienced head come in as he could really blossom if he had a few more solid experienced players to learn from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Dreadful Centre half. You're only as strong as your weakest link. When one of your weakest links is your cb and captain... You have issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormantonRam Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I cant remember a POTY winner, who has been criticised as much tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Dreadful Centre half. You're only as strong as your weakest link. When one of your weakest links is your cb and captain... You have issues. Forsyth is our weak link, Brum exposed it and Burke attacked it at every moment before he was subbed off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Forsyth is our weak link, Brum exposed it and Burke attacked it at every moment before he was subbed off you say that, but please tell me how many (opposition) goals have come down our left side, compared to coming through the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 you say that, but please tell me how many (opposition) goals have come down our left side, compared to coming through the middle. I couldn't give you a total but free kicks given away and crosses not stopped are high from that side. A new left back is needed. I'm not disagreeing, Keogh should be dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I couldn't give you a total but free kicks given away and crosses not stopped are high from that side. A new left back is needed. I'm not disagreeing, Keogh should be dropped OH In that case, there's no argument. (apart from Forsyth is playing out of position), we need a new defence full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Forsyth is awful. I agree 100%. But hes a left winger. Hence why hes good going forward and his crossing is good. Many of our goals come through the middle, from poor organisation at set peices, and often Keoghs man gets on the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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