PrivateDerby Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Old Skool Hip Hop Rulez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Never listened to good golden era conscious hip hop before then i take it or any of the jazz influenced stuff such as shades of blue. Rap and hip hop are different genres, don't be ignorant to musical genres then act like you have some kind of superior taste. Who said anything about rap? I never mentioned it. I like some trad jazz, I like most metal, I like an awful lot of blues, I like a huge amount of classical music. I'm even quite taken with Gregorian Chant and folk music. Hell, I even liked five minutes of Run-DMC when their piece of crap was rescued by Aerosmith. Sorry but my taste in music, although quite cosmopolitan, unfortunately for the likes of hip hop artists, is based upon an appreciation of the skill of the performer to play at least one instrument (and I include the human voice as an instrument). It does not include just the ability to manufacture a rhythm and to rhyme. If that was a sole prerequisite, then Richard Stllgoe would be a god amongst men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Old McLaren at Moor Farm EiEi O And at the farm he had a fish EIEi O With a slap slap here and a slap slap there Here a slap, there a slap, everywhere a slap slap EiEi O And at the farm he had some rams EiEi O With a baa baa here and a baa baa there Here a baa, there a baa, everywhere a baa baa EiEi O Something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Who said anything about rap? I never mentioned it. I like some trad jazz, I like most metal, I like an awful lot of blues, I like a huge amount of classical music. I'm even quite taken with Gregorian Chant and folk music. Hell, I even liked five minutes of Run-DMC when their piece of crap was rescued by Aerosmith. Sorry but my taste in music, although quite cosmopolitan, unfortunately for the likes of hip hop artists, is based upon an appreciation of the skill of the performer to play at least one instrument (and I include the human voice as an instrument). It does not include just the ability to manufacture a rhythm and to rhyme. If that was a sole prerequisite, then Richard Stllgoe would be a god amongst men. Now you're just showing your age. These kids these day eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Now you're just showing your age. These kids these day eh? It was the Richard Stllgoe bit that gave it away, wasn't it? Just a little too over the top? I should have stopped at Jake Thackaray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Old McLaren at Moor Farm EiEi O And at the farm he had a fish EIEi O With a slap slap here and a slap slap there Here a slap, there a slap, everywhere a slap slap EiEi O And at the farm he had some rams EiEi O With a baa baa here and a baa baa there Here a baa, there a baa, everywhere a baa baa EiEi O Something along those lines. I think you've been taking lines........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 It was the Richard Stllgoe bit that gave it away, wasn't it? Just a little too over the top? I should have stopped at Jake Thackaray? "Oh sister Josephine"....................... My Dad told me all about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Who said anything about rap? I never mentioned it. I like some trad jazz, I like most metal, I like an awful lot of blues, I like a huge amount of classical music. I'm even quite taken with Gregorian Chant and folk music. Hell, I even liked five minutes of Run-DMC when their piece of crap was rescued by Aerosmith. Sorry but my taste in music, although quite cosmopolitan, unfortunately for the likes of hip hop artists, is based upon an appreciation of the skill of the performer to play at least one instrument (and I include the human voice as an instrument). It does not include just the ability to manufacture a rhythm and to rhyme. If that was a sole prerequisite, then Richard Stllgoe would be a god amongst men. You do realise that the producers actually play an electrical instrument to create beats right? They usually do play other instruments. They know more about jazz and classic rock, soul etc than you could ever dream of. They have record collections that are vast. To me it seems you have some older generation preconception about what hip hop is without actually knowing anything. Shades of blue is a homage to a certain jazz album, Madlib created a whole concept album from the Blue Note record catalogue. If you don't think piecing together complex musical arrangements with a lyrical style most cannot achieve takes skill then you are just plain stupid. Music is not just based on how technical or difficult to create it is, that shows a massive failure to understand the art form on your part. I play guitar to a good level, I invested in an MPC 2000 and tried to make beat arrangements with samples. I couldn't do it, it is damn hard and having the ear to work the right samples and shifting was beyond my ability. I get the feeling you don't even know what hip-hop is. I don't really like classical but i wouldn't say it was any less valuable as a genre. It's funny you should say you like blues, a very simple genre that was pioneered in the deep south based on the same 12-bar blues pattern by slaves with no access to education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Personally, tomsdubs, I think that you are the person playing the musical snobbery card here - and here you are, openly accusing me of laying claim to some kind of 'superior musical taste'. What a typical bloody arrogant hypocrite you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardifframs Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 "Steve McClarens magic He wears a magic hat Thank god I'm now at derby Instead of forest twa*s" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tomsdubs Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Personally, tomsdubs, I think that you are the person playing the musical snobbery card here - and here you are, openly accusing me of laying claim to some kind of 'superior musical taste'. What a typical bloody arrogant hypocrite you are. I'm the music snob yet you called a whole genre inferior because it doesn't align with your own personal taste? You're a joke mate. I called you out on your ignorance and you reverted to ad hominem attacks, pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I don't get why people rage at each other for their music taste - one man's trash is another's treasure. Both of you, get over yourselves and move on. "Steve McClaren is a Ram, he hates Forest." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_dcfc Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I'm a producer myself, though only as a hobby (hip hop mainly). I used to rap when I was younger, and travelled Derby and the surrounding areas doing free shows for all sorts of occasions. My range in music starts from classical, right the way through to metal, and thats one advantage I have over many of the other small time producers from all over the country. I can tell anyone now, that it's really, really hard to get any sort of balance right with a hip hop track. I've been producing for 8 years, and I still struggle to get it right now. The advantage of listening to all sorts of music is that your horizons are very broad, you can make something from nothing. Hip hop isn't all about drugs and guns, if you listen closely to what some rappers are saying, it's entirely the opposite. Without music, some of these people are poetic geniuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Without music, some of these people are poetic geniuses. I'd much rather they did it without the music too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_dcfc Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I'd much rather they did it without the music too. Each to their own brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I'd much rather they did it without the music too. No one cares what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 No one cares what you like. Awwwwww diddums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 No one cares what you like. I'm the music snob yet you called a whole genre inferior because it doesn't align with your own personal taste? You're a joke mate. I called you out on your ignorance and you reverted to ad hominem attacks, pathetic. I didn't say it was inferior - I said that it was not music, and you then got all pathetically butt-hurt. You can 'call me out on my ignorance' about hip hop as a musical genre if you like, just as you can call me out on my knowledge of bicycles designed by fish. The fact that you approached your counter-argument with the same snobbery as you accused me of using (telling the whole world what a great guitarist you are and how much you know about the compositional structure of blues) perfectly entitles me to accuse you of hypocrisy. That's not an ad-hominem attack - that's telling someone to get off their high horse. Mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I'd much rather they did it without the music too. I'd much rather they did it without the music too. And if they could stop talking as well it would be perfect....... Ba-da-boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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