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1 hour ago, Ambitious said:

Rough reading. 

Other clubs are pushing for us to be liquidated, according to Nixon. 

It would be great to get some names. 

Maybe Oldham Athletic, second bottom of L2, might not go out of the EFL after all...

10 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Creditors are not far off these figures:
HMRC - £36m
MSD - £24m
Transfer Fees - £8.4m
Administrators - £3.5m (estimate)
Unsecured Creditors - £3m

35% to unsecured creditors (£1m), whatever was agreed with HMRC (I'm guessing at 50% = £18m), and 100% of the rest.
£55m for the lot. 
The 25% option would knock just £300k off the total. Doesn't make sense to do that when you can spread the payments out over 3 years instead.

Thanks for that. The 35% relates to a relatively small proportion of the debt, seeing the other figures are separate. £55m for the lot seems high for a L1 club but the fan base, quite modern stadium capable of expansion, and overall potential could make it a good investment to try and grow the capital. We'll see...

1 minute ago, Norman said:

Creditor bill is the bill for the creditors. 

35% is 65% less than 100%. 

Hope this helps. 

Now I know why the process is taking so long !

Read that creditors 35% over 3 years the minimum to avoid 15 point penalty. What is the creditor bill and what is 35%, can someone remind me.

PP stadium apparently around £20m for freehold.

So what is total required to avoid 15 point penalty to include club plus stadium.

Guess around £40m but would appreciate any answers.

Kirchner's offer apparently avoided a points deduction, creditors paid what needed for that, albeit over 3 years, but seems may not have the money.

The next offer may be lower and result in perhaps a 15 point deduction. That's the equivalent of 5 wins of 46 games without points, avoiding relegation next season would be the target.

Suspect that's what might happen, even after a possible liquidation, as offers can go I think to the liquidators, although not sure of efl stance on things after liquidation but before finalised.

19/5/2005, Derby 0 Preston 0, lose p/o on agg.

18/5/1994, Millwall 1 Derby 3, p/o win 5-1 on agg.

34 minutes ago, Skin em Ted said:

I remember an article in one of the papers when Man City were relegated to the third tier. The headline, after their well attended first home match, being something along the lines of '29,000 reasons why City shouldn't be in this division'.

No doubt we will surpass that and send out a similar, defiant statement of intent.

Agree should be a big crowd. Previous 2 div 3 home debuts.

20/8/1955, Derby 4 Mansfield 0, 24,159.

1/9/1984, Derby 3 Bolton 2, 11,478.

7 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

No not if efl know that - we will be away at ground furthest from Derby with smallest away fan capacity

If has to be away best might be at Bolton, first game was 8/9/1888, Bolton 3 Derby 6.

15 minutes ago, SirBrian said:

For God's sake all you doom and gloom merchants and know alls give it a break, surley CK is not clueless and knows that the stadium will not be an issue or he would have walked away, not willingly take over the running of Derby County and paying the bills.

Smile and be happy, think positive we have a great owner who loves sport and we also have a great manager who loves the club, it takes more muscles to frown than too smile, happy days are here again!!!

Agree, seems a capable business-man if not a billionaire. He'll prob try and run DC as a sustainable club and aim to work up the Leagues. Should get out of L1 in a year or perhaps 2. Championship could take some time, it will be more down to management than loads of money.

Perhaps later in the summer ck could set out the financial picture in a way we can all understand.

2 minutes ago, DerbyRevolution said:

Knock down the north west corner, replace with another south west corner

Build up the east stand, 40,000 capacity.

all adult tickets £10, season tickets £230, kids £5 a game/£115 ST

oh and get some players

The space available to get to 40,000 or so in due course if required is a good plus point for Pride Park.

17/5/2016, Hull 0 Derby 2, but lose p/o on agg.

Wonder if game 8 will be at home, that's the 5000th in the League.

Still things to do but at least the fat lady seems to have arrived, not literally you understand?

Fixtures out 23/6, first League game 30/7.

On 12/05/2022 at 22:58, 1of4 said:

Add a few days in the Lake District between games, would be ideal.

A good choice. We'll probably still be assembling a squad of players so uk based and a range of teams like yours looks sensible.

Football regulator included in QSpeech.

Derby and the Football League, now efl.

Original member 1888, currently on 4992 games, hopefully number 5000 early next season, third to get there I think after Preston, Burnley.

End of season position on Derby County stats thread.

1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

It'd still be hard, and the EFL would no doubt impose even harsher "business plan" measures and he a hard sell to get players into the club at -15.

Yes, the business plan measures could make that difficult, perhaps he can find a formula for -15 but no special measures...

1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

The speculation was if derby county is bought out of liquidationn the EFL *might* allow an entry to league 2. I don't think that's confirmed, and others are very insistent that we'd be starting a few tiers lower than that.

I'd guess L2 might be negotiated if it's Mike Ashley and it's very quickly done in a looks like DCFC, quacks like DCFC kind of way and the ground is sorted. I'd still feel sick though.

Thanks for that.

I suppose the other thing for MA to consider may be taking the -15 in League 1 and believing he could put out a team to survive. This season was -21 but -15 next season could just be ok with then promotion back to the championship the target for 2023/24.

41 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

I think Mike Ashley's plan is League 2 for next season with no imposed business plan. Sports Direct pay us £20m for advertising - which is a tax loss for them. We walk League 2 and by 23/24 we're a very competitive League 1 side.

 

Not sure how League 2 for next season can happen ?

10/5/1998, Derby 1 Liverpool 0.

Derby County game totals, incl Derby 0 Cardiff 1 on 7/5/2022.

League 4992, FA Cup 350, League Cup 185, Play-offs 20, Others 63, Total 5610.

League record, P 4992, W 1928, D 1221, L 1843, F 7569, A 7288.

So League game 5000 hopefully early next season.

Think Preston first to get there, Burnley earlier this year.

Think MA will end up buying DC.

Will want 100% control so buys club and stadium. Training ground continues to be leased.

Will prob pay enough to avoid points deduction. Not sure about continuing EFL special financial measures over us.

Will want to grow DC and its value with a view to selling on in 5-10 years.

1 minute ago, Animal is a Ram said:

Sorry to really hammer this home, but...

Ignore any misgivings for MA as an owner for a moment.

The facts are:

The structure of CK's offer - albeit without the stadium - has been accepted by the admins, and the EFL, and would allow the club to exit administration without incurring the -15(+) points deduction.

With this, you could reasonably say that the CK offer would be the baseline, the cheapest it gets. He's hardly going to pay more than is necessary.

We know that the price for the stadium, unless Mel moves, which seems very unlikely, is £22m.

Given what we know about how MA operates - swoop in at the last possible moment for the cheapest possible price - the thing that puzzles me the most, and thus worries me the most, with MAs 'offer', is he likely to match CK + £22m?

I would say not.

Think he might.