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Just now, Eddie said:

He's a Tory. He can.

He likes to think and wishes he can,that's the problem but in truth he can't.

14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

The method we used is fairly standard one. Why does any business chose to do things a certain way that is different. To gain an advantage - well obviously. It's not against the rules. I do not get what you are on about. Only fed 'one side' after two independent panels have scrutinised things and we only got a £100k fine, because we didn't 'explain things well enough'. 

Why don't you get what i am about, the club and EFL came to an agreement about how our accounts would be submitted, we may have then added other processes which extended that advantage and which would just have been signed off because they trusted us to submit the accounts as discussed. We are members of an association. The other 21 clubs in the league may have been aware that the rules could be manipulated but didn't, if you don't want to abide by those rules,simple get out.  

The sooner MM is gone the better,after the Keogh disaster even more so,he comes across as a victorian business owner who thinks he can do what he wants at will

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

We got found out for doing something that wasn't against the rules. Don't you understand the difference between breaking the rules and doing something not covered by the rules?

Yes i do but why do something different to the other 71 clubs which would have been the standard policy. IIRC the club"discussed" with the EFL how our accounts would be submitted and that was agreed.What neither you or i know is that what we submitted was what had been verbally agreed, the EFL have admitted they don't look at the accounts before signing them off, they are signed off "on trust". MM then comes out and states publicly "how easy it to manipulate the rules". There is the possibility that this raised a Red flag within the EFL who scrutinised the accounts and the method used was not the same as originally agreed. We have only been fed one side of the story. 

1 hour ago, Duracell said:

And our back line hasn't ever recovered from it! 

I think I remember reading that it was the first goal scored as all the games kicked off concurrently, and this was the earliest goal scored,  as well as a few other ridiculous Victorian instances delaying kick off (flat balls, corset blown on the pitch etc). 

Due to improved technology,medical or otherwise,flat balls are very rare these days.

Just now, TuffLuff said:

I’m not sure what the amount was, but it was thought that Cocu’s wages werent too high.  Although Cocu waivered his payout when he left anyway so it didn’t matter.

Probably saw what the clubs finances were like and realised he wasn’t going to see it for a good few years!

He didn't waiver his payout,he agreed to take a lower payment than due.

3 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Was that seriously his pay off . The mind boggles. Fwanks compo paid for some of it I suppose

Thats what you get when you sign a manager on a Four year contract, find yourself at the bottom of the table,instead of giving him time to turn things round panic and get rid then bring someone in who has no managerial experience whatsoever. That's a good way to run a club.

4 minutes ago, Ram-a-lama fa fa fa said:

i agree with everything youve said over the last couple of posts. just wanted to highlight were uv said right manager.. when leicester won the league, they did it in under claudio ranieri who when he took over from pearson was the favourite to be sacked first and take them down! he proved, me included, everyone wrong.

i still cant get my head round them winning the league but it just goes to show u what can happen when all the stars are aligned 

Especially when Venus is just rising over Uranus

2 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

In fairness, I think Mel would have kept him, especially given the £8 million severance payment! Not sure the same could be said of the fans though...

More likely 32 Red

5 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Agreed, but in much the same way that I really wanted Cocu to be a success, I also wanted Mel to enjoy some glory days too.

We move on...

I think Cocu would have been a success in time even if we dropped into Div 1 in the process,the problem was MM wasn't prepared to give him that time

46 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Plenty Angie and I suspect a deal could be stuck very swiftly if A) the EFL poo or get off the pot and levy the punishment they see fit (in addition to the £100k fine imposed as a result of their own disciplinary procedures) thereby allowing us to either take our licks and move on or appeal their nonsense charges and punishments and B) Mel is willing and able to price the club and its assets in a manner that makes it an appealing investment. 

By the same token, I think it's extremely unlikely that we will find another owner with any connection, emotional or otherwise the the club which most likely points to a Far Eastern of US consortium which may, or may not be a good thing. Someone like Micky Arison would be welcome! 

Football has changed drastically from when i 1st started going to the BBG, in the old days it always seemed to be a local businessman/women who bought the club. Nowadays football is big business and clubs with owners who have deep pockets will always succeed because money these days buys success and it doesn't matter which part of the globe they come from.

Personally i don't think we are in possession of all the facts and never will be, there are probably issues that cannot be disclosed to the public for whatever reason. Fans keep going on about conspiracies etc which i don't think is true. If MM thought or had proof of any conspiracies i have no doubt that he would make sure it somehow got leaked to mainstream media organisations. On here it all depends on which side of the fence you are looking over. 

2 hours ago, Crewton said:

I don't think so. The listed charge relates solely to transfer payments and I didn't interpret the response that way myself. 

Whilst I appreciate the EFL responding so promptly, and whilst they appear to confirm Nixon's follow-up tweet rather than his original tweet, I think the language could have been clearer. 

 

Well i don't think it could be any clearer,  i don't just read it as relating to transfers,

Any club in breach of any required payment terms would be subject to embargo and appear on the reporting service.

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

It is important to clarify the approach to embargoes generally. In short, the embargo reporting service is a live reporting tool, so if any Clubs default on payments, if they are to be under embargo, they would appear here.

From a general perspective obviously Clubs frequently owe other Clubs money as part of player registrations, but these are contracted and such conditions will largely be met in relation to the agreements in place – the breach in relation to Derby is that in simple terms, they haven’t paid when required to do so.

Any club in breach of any required payment terms would be subject to embargo and appear on the reporting service.

Thank you for contacting the EFL.

So,for all we know the LMA & PFA may have been in contact with the EFL regarding possible outstanding payments to Cocu and Keogh. The above doesn't just seem to relate to clubs. 

1 minute ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Let's get some good fortune for once and snatch a completely undeserved 1-0 win, with the ref denying brum free kicks, penalties and missing a blatant offside for our goal.... ?

You're dreaming wake up,wake up

1 minute ago, Foreveram said:

Yam yams 0 Rams 1 Lawrence frgs

Yam yams are from the Black Country, Birmingham isn't part of that.

10 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

I think it's unlikely that Mel Morris is a petulant teenager waiting for his Mum to clear the mouldy plates, 14 pairs of used boxer shorts and overflowing ashtrays from his room.

I never implied that he was a petulant teenager but it still doesn't stop him wanting someone else to clear the mess up.The inaction we have seen this last few weeks gives the impression he can't be bothered to do it.

2 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Well tbf the pies look like they have been recycled multiple times.... ?

When they start offering Lamb hotpot as an option to pies you will have the answer to where Rammie has disappeared to

5 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

I think there is a story behind Mel's actions which very few are aware of. I simply can't believe that he would chose to run the club in such a terrible way if he had any other choice. Eventually, I think we'll find out and quite a few will feel they judged him harshly. 

I don't think it has to do with liquidity though. Logically, his reasons for selling are probably one or more of; getting desperately short of cash, not feeling (mentally, physically or emotionally) capable of it or feeling that it's best for the club to have a more engaged owner.

Turning the club into a basket case just prolongs the losses and the aggravation because it becomes unsellable. If Mel just had to sell a hotel to be able to put another £10m in to stabilise the club, I'm sure he would because he could walk away far more quickly and with more cash. I think that Mel is far too desperate to use liquidity as an excuse.

Or he just wants somebody else to sort out the mess he has got the club in.

2 hours ago, CBRammette said:

Approval of kit details and max pricing as presumably the megastore owners cant just chose our kit for us and impose own price,  pr and marketing people as there are various comms from the club official channels and not the megastore, player liaison for marketing materials, usually finance are involved in everything outsourced still at some level, legal to ensure megastore operating in terms of agreement. Agree it shouldnt be as much as store licensing outsourced but the club staff will still be involved as we will see from the various emails, tweets as the week progresses

I agree that the club would be involved as regards kit details but pricing etc.no. Of course the players will be involved in marketing matters. I would imagine Fanatics pay the club for players time in photo/video shoots or that is included in the contract between Fanatics and the club and the club get a percentage on all merchandise sold

5 minutes ago, Derby blood said:

Great post, i agree with everything u said, Mr Morris needs to sort the mess out he has caused ASAP, then he can sell the club with his head held high, otherwise he will go down as the fan who destroyed the club he loved. 

As we have seen recently i don't think MM has any intention of sorting his mess out.

1 minute ago, Poynton ram said:

Have renewed but couldn’t work out how to renew parking. Anyone know? Have emailed the ticket office but doubt I will get a reply

Wouldn't be surprised if they haven't outsourced that now.

1 minute ago, CBRammette said:

Wasnt talking about megastore staff

In what capacity then do you think club personnel are involved?

4 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

I know but presumably club personnel are involved 

It says the megastore staff are employed by Fanatics, no staff employed by the club, another way so save on wages

57 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

Cant help thinking the effort put into marketing this would have been better spent sorting fans' ticketing issues

The club don't have anything to do with the marketing regarding the megastore as i posted yesterday.

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2021/07/Derby-county-and-fanatics-agree-long-term-retail-partnership-to-enhance-supporters-shopping-experience

37 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

Stick two fingers up and get promotion out of this damn league.

We've tried that and it didn't work,that's why we are in the position we now find ourselves in.