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2 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

We need to bring the age down and sign some explosive players up top and then opts to chase a 32 year old who is only good in the air and a 35 year old who’s hamstrings are held together by elastic bands. Maybe closes sent in a business plan that he didn’t realise was just too strict, is only comfortable spending little money without selling players or we had to compromise on the plan. 

That meets Warnes requirements.

6 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

Someone criticised him in another thread for playing too deep recently, standing too close to the centre backs and waving his arms around telling others what to do (for reference, this is not a quote) when a few games ago / earlier in the season he was getting about the pitch more.

I'm not sure it crossed their mind that maybe, 25+ games into a season where he's being asked to cover so much of that it might be because he needs a rest?

Anyway, for reference - or really just because I quite like like the way these things look - here's CH's season heatmap. Busy boy.

People are criticising him for not being strong enough in tackling etc. He's never been a good tackler, so why is he being asked to do it? He shouldn't even be running around this much. Isn't that what Fornah was bought for?

The worst thing about that heat map is the place you want him to be the most is the place he is the least. That being around the D shooting.

15 minutes ago, Jram said:

In fairness, I don’t actually know if I believe that’s the reason. I just think luck turned, injuries improved and the players got fitter. Certainly can’t argue that we’ve had exceptional results in recent months 

I think it’s a bit silly to say Wilson hasn’t adapted. He’s been really good. Elder has been good since he’s had a run in the team 

Ward has been disappointing and clearly Warne thinks so too. Can’t get them all right I suppose 

 

Results have been good, but there isn't any fixture that I wouldn't expect us to win, apart from Oxford away possibly. 

I disagree that Wilson and Elder have been good. Wilson has 1 goal and 1 assist which isn't good considering he's now meant to be a winger. His shooting is terrible for a winger as well. Elders made numerous mistakes which have led to goals and his general defending is poor.

Who's fault is it that Ward has been disappointing? his crossing would a huge weapon if used correctly. 

4 hours ago, MadAmster said:

Rosenior signed the players he signed intending to play them in certain roles. NML had been used as a wing back at Wendy. He refused to sign a new contract as they still wanted him as a WB and he didn't want to play there. Why did he sign for Rosenior? My guess is that LR told him he wanted to play him as a winger. Then we had the managerial change and PW started to play him as a WB. Fortunately, he now sees him as the attacking player he is and plays him, mainly, in attacking roles.

Had PW been in charge in the summer of 2022, I think he would probably have told NML he'd be used as a WB and he wouldn't have signed for Derby. Just my opinion. 

I'd argue a similar thing about Hourihane. It's a trend on here for all the Warne fans to blame Hourihane when he's being asked to be a player he isn't. His abilities have been wasted in my opinion.

5 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Welcome back. A few less than desirable results and your anti-Warne takes are in full swing.

So let’s get this straight, NML has just signed a long-term new contract at the club.

NML is also on for one of the most productive seasons of his career.

But of course none of that is to do with Warne, it’s all in spite of Warne…

 

He's had a productive season because he's one of our only attacking outlets and the team is set up to feed him the ball as much as possible. At times he's been our only attacking outlet. There was periods earlier in the season where our only tactic was pass it to him and hope he does something.

6 hours ago, Jram said:

No reason warne couldn’t have signed him 🤔 

I actually rate that Warne adapted and realised his stated aim of playing a back 3 wasn’t the best option. He's managed to adapt many of his signings to a back 4 so hats off to him 

I can’t believe how often I find myself having to defend Warne on this forum. It genuinely baffles given our position 

I don't know how you can spin his back 3 formation failing as a positive. I wouldn't say Ward, Elder or Wilson have adapted that well.

16 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

But we have only really lost Nyambe from the team over that time. Forsyth has missed a couple but Elder covered for him quite well. 

Even without those 2 players we still have a far superior squad to our opposition each game

Your right, we do lack control. The fact that we got away with it for 10 or so games is irrelevant for me. Look what happens as soon as we come up against a decent side like peterborough. How will we cope in the championship with this approach when every single team will be at least at peterborough's level. 

I don't get what people are seeing with Elder. He's looked terrible every time I've seen him. I didn't realise how important Forsyth was before he got injured.

1 hour ago, Jram said:

Maybe… in fairness to Warne, since he’s played him as an out and out attacker, he’s been exceptional. Last year, he played wing back before Warne got the players he wanted and we had figured out were better suited to a back 4

Of course he's better as an out and out attacker because that's what he is. Why would anyone play him in wing back? Thank Rosenior we signed him, because Warne could never could.

Its a shame Warne only realised we were better suited to a back 4 after he signed all those players for his back 3 formation 

On 23/01/2024 at 23:16, Caerphilly Ram said:

I didn’t say Warne was a representation of robustness and sustainability. I said the owner is seemingly making the club more robust and sustainable.

I also didn’t say you can’t express your dislike, just commented on your point that you personally don’t want to wait 3 years to see how Warne does. Maybe I took your point too literally and I can see in hindsight I didn’t word my response how I intended, what I mean is if you don’t want to wait 3 years then only you can choose what to do about how you feel personally on Warne, as it currently appears he’s here for the moment. You and others are free to your opinions. 
 

My whole response was about the comments that the club isn’t planning for the future linked purely to Paul Warne being the manager. I disagree on that observation. Whether Warne is or isn’t suitable long term is PART of that conversation but not the ONLY aspect and it is disingenuous to say the club isn’t doing anything else just because of an opinion someone holds on Warne. 

It is inevitable that tonight and on the back of recent performances people are keen to debate the manager, I’m not, I haven’t got the energy for it any more, but I stand by the fact the club is doing more towards future planning regardless of Warne being employed. 

Aren't the manager and future planning one and the same? Even if Warne leaves after a few seasons, what legacy is he going to leave? Isn't all planning ultimately made with the first team in mind? I don't see how you can separate them.

On 26/01/2024 at 21:23, Jram said:

Nyambe, Vickers, Elder haven’t been bad but I accept the point

 He does in fairness seem to have got the best from the likes of NML and Collins as well

I don't think Warnes got the best out of NML at all. He's just that good of a player at this level that he still performs well. He's been made to play striker and wing back at times. 

The problem is definitely that we're not crossing it enough  

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Collo

3 hours ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

The plans and infrastructure I mentioned aren’t limited solely to how the academy plays its football. The accusation put forward by the original poster was along the lines of the club isn’t planning for the future, which ignores reality. It might not be planning for the future how you and others feel is correct and best, but there is clearly work going on since the club was saved with one eye on the future. People choose to ignore that cause Warne’s football isn’t for them, and they want to bang that drum, the two things aren’t inherently linked is my point. Whether Warne is or isn’t the future of the Derby, the current owner is seemingly looking to make the club robust and sustainable. 

On your other point, whether you personally want to wait to find out how Paul Warne does or not, you need to make your mind up on how you move forward. Save for staging a protest at the club (which may well fall on deaf ears in this moment) or choosing to follow some other team there’s an apparent need to accept Paul Warne is the manager of the club in this moment. That’s the present reality we all face regardless of our stance on him, his style of football, or his choice of headwear.

 

I know they're planning in other ways and not solely the academy. I was just using it as an example. Nothing about Warnes signals long term planning at all. He hasn't improved any player (and therefore increased their sale value should we sell). He's churned through the squad and ground them down to playing a regressive, simplistic and short-termist method of playing football. I presume part of this 'future planning' involves attracting talented players here with high sell on potential. What about Warne would attract any player like that to us? How does that help with the long term planning and continuity of the club? Its not that I disagree with Warne in the context of future planning, I think he's actively a hinderance to it. If his short-termism does work and we go up,  I think it will just be one step forward, two back overall. You mention Warne as a representation of robustness and sustainability. He hasn't been either of those things. His transfers aren't sustainable and he's abandoned formations and systems multiple times over the last seasons.   

I disagree that just because something can't be changed, that means you can't express dislike for it. Of course we all want Derby to win every game no matter what. 

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Hourihane

On 22/01/2024 at 14:37, Caerphilly Ram said:

I get that you, and others, don’t like Warne and his style. But IF we get promoted and IF he doesn’t make a good go of it he probably leaves and someone else comes in, the club is putting all the other infrastructure in place towards a long term process regardless of who is first team manager. 

But the plans and infrastructure being placed doesn't seem to align with what Warne is doing at all, and is arguably hindering it. How is it helpful that a progressive 4-3-3 style is imposed on every level of the academy, but the first team play such backwards football?

I personally don't want to wait 3 years to just see if it works out for Warne. Ask Sheffield Wednesday fans next season if it was worth getting promoted by any means last season. 

On 22/01/2024 at 13:59, Ghost of Clough said:

I can see Warne's intended style of playing mimicing Klopp's Liverpool. The question then is, can we recruit players in the summer which will allow us to play that way at Championship level. Will we even shape up with a 433? Anything else will sacrifce the press - playing either a 3 at the back or 2 up front would reduce the effectiveness of Klopp's high intensity pressing style.

The 'Klopp style of play' you're suggesting isn't even used by Klopp anymore. It's almost 5 years out of date. He's changed to 3-3-3-1 similar to most top Prem teams. I've seen little evidence Warnes style resembles old Klopp anyway

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Collo

If their punishment doesn't result in relegation at least, then it just signals that cheating is worth it overall. 

Why is this deemed as breaking the rules, yet effectively laundering money through multi-club ownership isn't?

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JJ

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Hourihane

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Collins

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