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As someone on the DET website pointed out, how is this going to play out, the non-payment of bonuses to the England squad, all due to the Government's Covid loan they took out and have not paid back. As have Arsenal, as have Spurs. Championship clubs were not given access to this. Are the EFL going to deduct points from them ahead of the World Cup qualifiers and send them a sternly-worded letter, via the media?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/03/22/fa-use-taxpayer-money-fund-euro-2020-player-bonuses/

https://thetilehurstend.sbnation.com/2021/7/8/22564390/reading-fc-transfer-embargo-confirmed-efl-what-you-need-to-know-royals

 

 

On The Tilehurst End Podcast in April, football finance expert Kieran Maguire said: “The thing that Reading have got in their favour is that I don’t think there is any desire from the clubs in the EFL for their fellow clubs to end up with points deductions. We could end up with eight or nine clubs being on the end of points deductions, which means from a sporting integrity perspective, it would make a nonsense of 2021/22 as a season.

“I suspect there won’t be any profitability and sustainability points deductions for the forthcoming season. What the EFL will probably do is assess clubs over two years. Take the losses in 2021 and take the losses in 2022, halve them and use that as the basis for the three-year assessment. So things will be really challenging in 12 months’ time.”

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Why Byrne on the wing and Festy RB and not the other way round? Why not Lawrence considering he's one of only two wingers we own?

I take it you don't rate Davies, Forsyth, Cashin, JBrown or Solomon as CBs if you'd rather see Knight there.

Lawrence will be sold. I don't rate Forsyth and never have done, unless we are talking about Micky Forsyth, or even Bruce. Not a fan of converted wingers. 30/70 if Davies stays. The best bits of Byrne is his wing play, his defending is mediocre; I thought we lacked a right-winger all season and with Ebosele, Wisdom and McDonald it seemed obvious to move him there for the missing creativity. Okay, Solomon for Knight, who will have to sit on the bench for now.

53 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Knight CB? Ebosele RB with Byrne RM? Watson CM over Knight and Bird? Where's the money for Connolly?

Loan I am informed, Brighton willing to pay half his wages. Byrne as a right winger. We have no other centre-backs, it was Knight or Roos.

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Ebosele   Knight   Mengi   Buchanan

Byrne   Watson   Shinnie   Jozwiak

Kazim-Richards    Aaron Connolly

On 28/06/2021 at 12:00, Ghost of Clough said:

Figures are copied off Football Manager - Rooney's playing wages estimated based on the rumoured £90k he was on (minus the increased sponsorship income). Ibe's estimated based on his in game rather than the rumoured reality of "very little with high performance related bonuses". I'm sure the same applied to Bird, Sibley, etc

It's the other way round, Football Manager copies that website and have for half a decade.

2 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Absolutely sounds like a made-up list of figures, copied off t'interweb.

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/wayne-rooney-Derby-county-record-32red-sponsorship-deal

Eighteen months contract, one of many articles that were aware of the deal.

 

8 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

ha ha ha ha ha......yeah it must all be true then, because as we all know everything that is published on the INTERNET is 100% true...

i take it all back, you DO know how much Jose and Klippety Klopp are earning because they opened their bank account details to a dodgy website just for you...

Salarysport is used by journalists and funded by newspapers to gather the information, it takes them around three months to collate each and every year, they have been producing these figures for six seasons now; it's not just so that people like you can do a ha ha ha and choose not to believe it. It also matches other websites doing similar. The only information it does not include is bonuses and signing-on fees. I'm guessing you query the weight on the back of your packet of biscuits and how quick your internet speed is. Have a great life.

20 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

One of my absolute favorite things is fans who KNOW how much players and managers are earning...!! every one of those examples you have "researched" comes from some hack of a reporter guessing, estimating, fabricating to make it fit in with whatever ******** agenda they have.

You have zero idea how much Jose Mourinho earns, just like you have zero idea how much I earn from my blossoming modelling career and you have zero idea how much @David earns from this or @Angry Ram earns from selling his body or @DarkFruitsRam7 earns from selling his seed on line...but hey...why worry about that..

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/Derby-county/

 

31 minutes ago, Ramarena said:

Is there a source for any of this?

https://www.sportekz.com/football/premier-league-managers-2020-salaries/

https://goalballlive.com/all-2020-premier-league-managers-salaries-have-been-published/

https://www.givemesport.com/1527954-top-10-highestpaid-managers-in-the-premier-league-revealed

Firstly, it was an 18-month contract he signed when coming here as a player, Derby paying him £42k and 32Red £48k. That is now over. 

 

At 90k as a manager, £4.7m, he would way above several other managers wages-wise in Britain, those in the PL. I'm sure discussions were had when he hung up his boots between the club, Rooney and sponsors and he is now on a more realistic £1m a year, in line with our managerial pay structure.

 

Here's the list:

 

20) Chris Wilder, Sheffield United

Wilder earns a reported £14,000 per week with a base salary of £675,000 per year.

19) Slaven Bilic, West Bromwich Albion

Slaven Bilic is the only other Premier League manager who is said to have an annual wage of less than £1million, earning a reported £17,700 per week.

18) Ralph Hasenhuttl, Southampton

Hassenhutl is one of the lowest-paid bosses in England’s top tier.

The 52-year-old earns £21,000 per week and an annual income of £1million.

17) Graham Potter, Brighton

Potter impressed at Swansea City before being appointed by Brighton in 2019 and is reported to be on the same wage as Hassenhutl, with an annual earning of £1million.

16) Dean Smith, Aston Villa

There is a significant hike in income to the next man on the list, with Aston Villa boss Dean Smith earning a reported £31,250 per week – translating to £1.5million per year.

15) Sean Dyche, Burnley

Sportekz claim Dyche’s salary is £2.4million per annum, but the Lancashire Telegraph have previously reported it could be as high as £3.5million.

14) Steve Bruce, Newcastle

One of the league’s most experienced managers, Steve Bruce is said to be on a weekly wage of £57,000, which translates into an annual salary of £2.75million.

13) David Moyes, West Ham

On slightly more than Bruce, West Ham boss David Moyes has an annual wage of £3million.

12) Scott Parker, Fulham

The former combative midfielder is said to earn a wage of £73,000 per week, which is £3.5million per year – surprisingly high for someone at the start of his managerial career.

11) Nuno Espirito Santo, Wolves

The Portuguese boss is said to now be on an annual wage of £4million, with weekly earnings of £85,000.

10) Roy Hodgson, Crystal Palace

Now 72, Roy Hodgson is the league’s oldest manager and is currently in his 44th year as a manager, his career having begun at Swedish club Halmstads in 1976. He is said to earn £4.5million per season.

9) Brendan Rodgers, Leicester

Reports indicate Brendan Rodgers earns £105,000 per week and has an annual salary of £5million.

? Mikel Arteta, Arsenal

Goal say the Spaniard’s salary is the same as Leicester boss Rodgers – an annual sum of £5million.

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7) Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Manchester United

The Norwegian was appointed permanently to the English club in March 2019 following a successful stint as a caretaker. He earns a reported £160,000 per week, which works out as £7.8million per annum.

6) Marcelo Bielsa, Leeds

Marcelo Bielsa is on a reported £166,660 per week – £8million per year, a figure which is higher than his Arsenal and Manchester United counterparts.

5) Frank Lampard, Chelsea

Frank Lampard is the fifth highest-paid manager in the Premier League, earning marginally more than Bielsa at £166,850 per week.

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4) Carlo Ancelotti, Everton

Sportekz claim Carlo Ancelotti’s salary is £11million per annum, but The Sun have reported Ancelotti’s deal is worth £14million over the course of a season.

3) Jose Mourinho, Tottenham

The Daily Mail claim Mourinho is on a £15million-a-year contract at Spurs, making him the third highest-paid manager in the Premier League, with a whopping weekly wage of a £313,000.

2) Jurgen Klopp, Liverpool

The Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp is very well paid and pockets marginally more than Mourinho at Spurs. Sportekz claim his weekly wage is £313,500, which is around £15million per season.

1) Pep Guardiola, Manchester City

Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola last signed a contract extension in 2018, with the Daily Mirror reporting his annual salary is a whopping £30million.

Guardiola’s weekly wage is £417,500.

18 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

The truth about Millwall is that they didn’t receive a points deduction because it was deemed they hadn’t gained an advantage as evidenced by the fact that they were relegated anyway. 

But they did get ultimately gain an advantage, a huge one, no transfer ban meant they were able to bring in loan signings Shane Ferguson from Newcastle (made permanent), George Saville (two years later signed for Boro, £8m) and Jed Wallace from Wolves and Chris Taylor from Blackburn. Eight permanent signings, Romeo still there, Carlos Edwards many will remember, Steve Morrison (went on to score 40 goals for them), Tony Craig, all of whom played many games and helped them back into the Championship, so they did get a massive and unfair advantage, 12 players were added to their squad that generally was their side for that season. Forest, Bolton and Fulham could not do that, and Bolton were relegated the next season. Millwall also got to the Football League Trophy Final that year.

It's interesting that someone commented that Millwall were found guilt of FFP, in that same season that Forest, Fulham and Bolton were, but they deemed that Millwall were punished enough by relegation. The next season that advantage allowed them to make the play-offs and the season after they were promoted.

 

Surely, the legality, the unfairness, the inability to follow even their own rules is enough for some lawyer to make mincemeat out of them? If the EFL have signed off the accounts and was aware of this format, at worst a warning, just like they did with Watford, and Wolves who found a way to the Promise Land.

Could we be one of the 400 Wendy's that has been announced this week. It has a ring to it, Wendy's Rams, the vegan option?

1 hour ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

I was mentally thinking of the sorts of fees Birmingham got for Bellingham, or even forest back in the day. 

Bogle and Lowe will be back in the championship next season so one assumes that will limit add ons, we had to let delap go for a bag of bullseyes. 

Got decent dosh for Hughes and Hendrick (pre Mel) but just a few hundred k for each of the others not already mentioned. 

We need to sharpen up our longer term planning imo as to what we want from the academy. 

It does show what a difference a year makes. Many here thought any bid below £15m for Bird from Chelsea should be turned down. They thought Leeds would have to pay £25m for Knight and £20m for Sibley in the August Window. If that had happened, £60m for those three that fans rated 12 months ago, then the academy would be the best in Europe. The only way to make this happen is to have a manager that can make them worth that amount, play them, play them where they are best and play them often if the academy plan is to succeed. And don't keep making them captain would help too. Ebosele looks the best of the bunch for me, I'd have had him in at full-back half a season ago and played Byrne as a winger, especially considering Rooney and his chums make five changes every game, win, lose or draw.

20 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Would Mel be a bit disappointed that his investment in the academy hasn't yet yielded more fees than a few L1/L2 standard players?

Mind I suppose he should be thankful they were sold before Wazza, Liam et al got hold of them and coached them down to NFL level....?

Delap, Thomas, Bogle, Whittaker and Gordon.

44 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

Why?

Because he looked an outstanding young player, playing as an attacking left back and stood out above any around at that time, including Ben Chilwell. The left backs then were Leighton Baines and Luke Shaw. After his move to Manchester City he has always played as a winger, mainly on the right, but one I hoped one day he could end up here. Stagnated at Middlesborough under Warnock.

I remember back in 2014 after the World Cup, a national newspaper ran a competition to name the team for Russia 2018, with journalists chipping in. Most had young players like Hart, Kane, Sterling, Wilshere, Stones, Barkley, Welbeck and Shaw in their side. I had Fulham's Patrick Roberts in the left-back position, so have always followed him closely, thinking he'd become a star player one day.