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I think its about time mods starting dealing with all these stupid and toxic comments. Its ruining the forum which has always had a good atmosphere. Its become toxic now because of the anti Warne and anti club agenda a vocal minority have.

Oh god, another argument on semantics incoming.

Oh god, another argument on semantics incoming.

They will say that because it's correct though?
I'm not sure it's particularly relevant what fans think of certain players, if they're contributing, they're contributing. If they're not, they're not.
They may be on good wages but Hourihane, Collins, NML, Barkhuizen & Smith have all (to varying degrees) earned their keep despite having to adapt to how a new manager wanted them to play, and at times have covered the manager's blushes when he's made tactical errors, or when his own signings have failed to step up to the mark - it always seems a bit rich pointing toward them as a problem.
Fornah, Ward, Bradley, Washington are yet to truly do so after 3-6 months of paying their wages. That may not be their fault, but it's a fact.
Also on the matter of reactions to a player signing, while you get the odd new signing that the fanbase are broadly against on the whole the chances of a signing being met with support are stacked high.  I think it's OK for fans to use hindsight when judging signings; we're just onlookers, not the ones who've scouted and researched these players to determine whether they're a good fit, discussed with them how we plan to use them etc.
It is up to the management to do due duilligence on signings, not the fans. If a signing fails, it is a reflection on the whole buying process not just the manager, but he plays his part.
It's just alarming that we've got better value out of signings we made fresh out of administration and under the tightest of restrictions than when we've had a little more leeway.

They will say that because it's correct though?
I'm not sure it's particularly relevant what fans think of certain players, if they're contributing, they're contributing. If they're not, they're not.
They may be on good wages but Hourihane, Collins, NML, Barkhuizen & Smith have all (to varying degrees) earned their keep despite having to adapt to how a new manager wanted them to play, and at times have covered the manager's blushes when he's made tactical errors, or when his own signings have failed to step up to the mark - it always seems a bit rich pointing toward them as a problem.
Fornah, Ward, Bradley, Washington are yet to truly do so after 3-6 months of paying their wages. That may not be their fault, but it's a fact.
Also on the matter of reactions to a player signing, while you get the odd new signing that the fanbase are broadly against on the whole the chances of a signing being met with support are stacked high.  I think it's OK for fans to use hindsight when judging signings; we're just onlookers, not the ones who've scouted and researched these players to determine whether they're a good fit, discussed with them how we plan to use them etc.
It is up to the management to do due duilligence on signings, not the fans. If a signing fails, it is a reflection on the whole buying process not just the manager, but he plays his part.
It's just alarming that we've got better value out of signings we made fresh out of administration and under the tightest of restrictions than when we've had a little more leeway.

Are you seriously suggesting our business plan makes us less able to bring in players than Carlisle and Burton?
 

Are you seriously suggesting our business plan makes us less able to bring in players than Carlisle and Burton?
 

The ever cheerful false and forced  positivity is a bit too much tonight, tbh. Read the f****** room.

Warne is a poor manager by any other measure than "can he get a team promoted form League one" 
and even that is in doubt right now

The ever cheerful false and forced  positivity is a bit too much tonight, tbh. Read the f****** room.

Are you seriously suggesting our business plan makes us less able to bring in players than Carlisle and Burton?
 

Are you seriously suggesting our business plan makes us less able to bring in players than Carlisle and Burton?
 

And more excuses in the summer.
Have you seen how many players are out of contract? Total rebuild needed. How can anyone expect us look good until 7 months in?

Yeah gets us up with no squad to speak of and a fanbase who want him out before the season kicks off. I agree thats what were going for but much better to build like Ipswich, Sunderland, Plymouth etc.
Comes to summat when you go to games dreading going up 🙂

Are you seriously suggesting our business plan makes us less able to bring in players than Carlisle and Burton?
 

Are you seriously suggesting our business plan makes us less able to bring in players than Carlisle and Burton?
 

Put a deal sheet in and tell Bristol to hurry up. Or tell them to hurry up at 5 and threaten to cancel the deal if they don’t seal it pronto. 
 
Plus we had a whole month to address this issue. 
 
No way should we be going in to the run in with 1 fit striker. I’m sorry even Burton and Carlisle have signed a striker. Dreadful.

The ever cheerful false and forced  positivity is a bit too much tonight, tbh. Read the f****** room.

The ever cheerful false and forced  positivity is a bit too much tonight, tbh. Read the f****** room.

The difference between this an the BD era is that, IMO, he harnessed the us against them attitude and we  were a proper team, we believed in each other, we were  better than them even if they didn't know it!
Whereas Warne is more like... Oh well one day we may be able to be as good as them, but until then, go out and give it your all, gas out, prove we're as good as them.
Cocuball required everyone to buy into the long term strategy but results and performances ultimately lead to the patience running out due to exactly that,  boredom coupled with poor performances. I would never argue that when he left, it was due.
I think we're essentially seeing the opposite of that under Warne.
Buy into the short term and f*** the future.

Yeah i see the BD comparison but it looked like we were building that under Warne until the other week, there seemed a genuine confidence building in the team (and god forbid the fans as well!!). Cocu just wanted to play a style of football that wasnt suited to the players we had or the league we were in, i dont think he ever fully understood what was needed in the Championship. Just seemed to spend his whole tenure scratching his head wondering where he was.
Warne for all his sins is getting a tune out of Nelson, who Cardiff fans said was just a nothing footballer,not a single person on the forum was arsed he was leaving. Same with NML whos having his best couple of seasons ever...and also more impressively Collins who's limited, done nowt for a few seasons but is playing out of his skin. This feels just like the Davies or Rowett seasons to me, just depends on luck end of the day
 

Which Dutch bloke do you mean schteve McClaren or Cocu 

Depends how much you think he's wasted on signings who don't improve us or whether you you believe he's been too picky in terms of which players we could sign based on factors beyond their footballing ability (or whether he's a rubbish judge if character and/or ability), I guess.
Personally I don't think this is really on him, but bloody hell Paul shut your f****** trap until your sure you can deliver on the the things you talk about.
 

Tbh this all feels more like Billy Davies era cobbling together wins with a trusted formula, i remember going to Preston on New Years day and scratting our way to such a terrible away win & suddenly thinking to myself my god this shower of s**** could actually go up!
Dont remember much hope for our future seeing that Cocuball going side to side across the defence and the ensuing Booing!

Depends how much you think he's wasted on signings who don't improve us or whether you you believe he's been too picky in terms of which players we could sign based on factors beyond their footballing ability (or whether he's a rubbish judge if character and/or ability), I guess.
Personally I don't think this is really on him, but bloody hell Paul shut your f****** trap until your sure you can deliver on the the things you talk about.