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So Republicans are going to take millions in political donations from multi millionaire Bitcoin whales who actually only bought Bitcoin to avoid government control, for a guarantee that the government will buy 1 million BTC with borrowed/tax payers money to help drive up the price of Bitcoin.

Even though it’s not a tier 1 asset as per Basel agreement 3 which is designed to stabilise countries against financial collapse 2008 style. 😳

But then again since the US seized Russian assets BRIC and other countries are dumping the US dollar and also taking their gold back.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/is-gold-repatriation-bad-news-for-the-dollar/

 

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Does make me smile this topic ,,, at 63 I’m still scratching my head about who is this person / entity that government s borrow money from and owe billions to ,, I’d like to be quid behind them 😂
wouldn’t it be good if they just said ,, right mate your knocked and spent on health , education, housing ect , would they send the boys round 🤔

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On 27/07/2024 at 08:11, NottsRam77 said:

Bitcoin is an open source public ledger…. Anyone anywhere on the planet who has a phone can view what moves where 

Cash is as shady as hell and until it hits bank account has zero tracability

Slightly disingenuous. If BTC was so utterly transparent, it wouldn't be so heavily used by the criminal underworld.

Yes the block chain is visible, but the addresses are anonymous, so it's very difficult to link a specific transaction to a specific individual

Add to that the increasing popularity of decentralized tumblers which deliberately mix up transactions to make it almost impossible to trace the original transaction path.

Whatever form currency takes, FIAT or crypto - those with power have a vested interest in making it untraceable

 

On 27/07/2024 at 11:56, NottsRam77 said:

I mean, just because the heavyweight corps are hoovering it up .. doesnt mean that joe public cant either.. its open source 

we can buy as much as we want / can afford its not a closed shop

Again - not the whole story. Yes anyone can buy it but not at the level of the finco whales. To own one bitcoin Joe Public needs to have ~$60k sloshing around his change jar. Compare that to Blackrock buying 200,000 BTC or the link above about the US wanting to buy a reserve of a million BTC. And once they have that much, they can manipulate away

And it literally is a closed shop when there is a finite number of BTC! Once they are all being held. What then?

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On 28/07/2024 at 16:40, Stive Pesley said:

Slightly disingenuous. If BTC was so utterly transparent, it wouldn't be so heavily used by the criminal underworld.

Yes the block chain is visible, but the addresses are anonymous, so it's very difficult to link a specific transaction to a specific individual

Add to that the increasing popularity of decentralized tumblers which deliberately mix up transactions to make it almost impossible to trace the original transaction path.

Whatever form currency takes, FIAT or crypto - those with power have a vested interest in making it untraceable

 

Again - not the whole story. Yes anyone can buy it but not at the level of the finco whales. To own one bitcoin Joe Public needs to have ~$60k sloshing around his change jar. Compare that to Blackrock buying 200,000 BTC or the link above about the US wanting to buy a reserve of a million BTC. And once they have that much, they can manipulate away

And it literally is a closed shop when there is a finite number of BTC! Once they are all being held. What then?

It was less than 1/3 of the current price when i started this topic.

the price is irrelevent short term and the beauty is its all relative to what an individual can afford

i dont own a whole bitcoin… no where near

but the money i have invested in it over the last few years has increased in its value v nicely. 
 

there will become a time when people dont talk about their stack in relation to a bitcoin it will be denominated in sats 

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On 28/07/2024 at 16:40, Stive Pesley said:

Slightly disingenuous. If BTC was so utterly transparent, it wouldn't be so heavily used by the criminal underworld.

Yes the block chain is visible, but the addresses are anonymous, so it's very difficult to link a specific transaction to a specific individual

Add to that the increasing popularity of decentralized tumblers which deliberately mix up transactions to make it almost impossible to trace the original transaction path.

Whatever form currency takes, FIAT or crypto - those with power have a vested interest in making it untraceable

 

Again - not the whole story. Yes anyone can buy it but not at the level of the finco whales. To own one bitcoin Joe Public needs to have ~$60k sloshing around his change jar. Compare that to Blackrock buying 200,000 BTC or the link above about the US wanting to buy a reserve of a million BTC. And once they have that much, they can manipulate away

And it literally is a closed shop when there is a finite number of BTC! Once they are all being held. What then?

You bitcoin holding will be measured in sats … and theres plenty of them to go around

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On 28/07/2024 at 16:40, Stive Pesley said:

Slightly disingenuous. If BTC was so utterly transparent, it wouldn't be so heavily used by the criminal underworld.

Yes the block chain is visible, but the addresses are anonymous, so it's very difficult to link a specific transaction to a specific individual

Add to that the increasing popularity of decentralized tumblers which deliberately mix up transactions to make it almost impossible to trace the original transaction path.

Whatever form currency takes, FIAT or crypto - those with power have a vested interest in making it untraceable

 

Again - not the whole story. Yes anyone can buy it but not at the level of the finco whales. To own one bitcoin Joe Public needs to have ~$60k sloshing around his change jar. Compare that to Blackrock buying 200,000 BTC or the link above about the US wanting to buy a reserve of a million BTC. And once they have that much, they can manipulate away

And it literally is a closed shop when there is a finite number of BTC! Once they are all being held. What then?

And cash isnt king in the underworld ???? Lol

I work for a financial institution and even jo public who arnt part of the shady underworld pay in thousands and thousands of pounds collectively in cash for side line hussles that should be taxable events but they try to sneak under the radar.

Kyc is becoming a bigger thing in btc circles as the financial world reluctantly accepts btc is now here to stay 

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16 minutes ago, Eddie said:

The actual value of bitcoin should have the cost of mining it - and the cost of removing the excess CO2 generated during mining - deducted.

The cost of mining it is built into the price

dont ask me how 😂.. but it is 

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1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

And cash isnt king in the underworld ???? Lol

I work for a financial institution and even jo public who arnt part of the shady underworld pay in thousands and thousands of pounds collectively in cash for side line hussles that should be taxable events but they try to sneak under the radar.

Oh absolutely, I never said it wasn't - I just said that BTC is no better

1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

Kyc is becoming a bigger thing in btc circles as the financial world reluctantly accepts btc is now here to stay 

Agree - I just opened a new savings account with a better rate of interest than my current one. Different Building Society, but one of the questions was to confirm that the money wasn't coming from Bitcoin!

1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

You bitcoin holding will be measured in sats … and theres plenty of them to go around

But it will end up being scraps the way things are going. If you feel like you have done well off a few sats - that only confirms quite how stacked the odds are in favour of those who hold millions of actual full bitcoins

 

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20 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

Oh absolutely, I never said it wasn't - I just said that BTC is no better

Agree - I just opened a new savings account with a better rate of interest than my current one. Different Building Society, but one of the questions was to confirm that the money wasn't coming from Bitcoin!

But it will end up being scraps the way things are going. If you feel like you have done well off a few sats - that only confirms quite how stacked the odds are in favour of those who hold millions of actual full bitcoins

 

No way … they really asked that the money wasnt coming from bitcoin?

i mean love to know the logic behind that

say it was

say u bought some at 20k … sold at 65k recently, paid ur CGT on it… whats the problem

Youve made an investment and made money on it, youve declared it and paid the taxes on it

Wow.. they really are threatened by it arnt they

my reply would be its good enough for wall street to make money from its good enough for me too. 

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2 hours ago, NottsRam77 said:

No way … they really asked that the money wasnt coming from bitcoin?

i mean love to know the logic behind that

say it was

say u bought some at 20k … sold at 65k recently, paid ur CGT on it… whats the problem

Youve made an investment and made money on it, youve declared it and paid the taxes on it

Wow.. they really are threatened by it arnt they

my reply would be its good enough for wall street to make money from its good enough for me too. 

I genuinely don’t claim to know the answer but isn’t it more to do with AML and traceability rather than CGT? 

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On 31/07/2024 at 19:37, Tamworthram said:

I’m not sure why you talked about CGT as an issue they shouldn’t be worried about.

Cos the assumption is you have recorded and paid any taxs due

but its an assumption

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9 hours ago, Stripperg-ram said:

Can’t be bothered to read this whole thread, but anyone have any strong sense/feelings or dealings with Ada/Cardano? 

Yes 

its a centrally controlled shitcoin 

u might as well go down the casino and lump it on red or black

And this is exactly why i made this thread for when jo retail starts asking about which shotcoin he/ she should buy

my advice to u my friend is u do read this thread or if not go and study bitcoin and shitcoins

u will then find the answer to ur question

im not saying this to be an arse, genuinely dont want to see any fellow ram lose money needlessly 🐏🐏 

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31 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Cos the assumption is you have recorded and paid any taxs due

but its an assumption

What’s that got to do with the extra questions Stive was asked when trying to open an account with a building society to which you were replying? The question must have been there for AML purposes not CGT.

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7 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

What’s that got to do with the extra questions Stive was asked when trying to open an account with a building society to which you were replying? The question must have been there for AML purposes not CGT.

Banks / building societies want to know every last detail 

Source of funds , inside leg measurement, best mates mums phone number

When i said it i think uv taken it too literally, as in i just said it as something that people would need to be aware of as a line of questioning if u were to declare its from crypto profits

source of funds is always the first question theyll get het up on obviously 

 

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1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

Banks / building societies want to know every last detail 

Source of funds , inside leg measurement, best mates mums phone number

When i said it i think uv taken it too literally, as in i just said it as something that people would need to be aware of as a line of questioning if u were to declare its from crypto profits

source of funds is always the first question theyll get het up on obviously 

 

Fair enough. I just read your original response as CGT being an explanation as to why you thought the building society were asking if the money was coming from Bitcoin.

I know a bit about banks and building societies having worked for well over 30 years in financial services (banking in particular) 😀. As you'll know, they are obliged because of various legislation (including Common Reporting Standard, AML and KYC) to gather a great deal of information from new customers. It's not a case of the banks being unnecessarily awkward or nosey.

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and so it begins 

As iv been saying the worlds broke.

Only two answers im aware of is borrow more … becoming less of an option

or try and inflated the debt away

both options aren't good news for the rest of us. 

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