G STAR RAM Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 55 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Mel Morris is a businessman. I don't really expect the whole truth from them. What did you expect him to say? We're in deep poo and I don't know whether we can avoid going into administration? But someone who goes on the internet "fact-checking" what other people are saying, while simultaneuously twisting the facts themselves, well that is just sheer hypocrisy. What facts has he twisted out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What facts has he twisted out of interest? See above. It seems I have to say the same thing five or six times and still the message doesn't get through. Can I just suggest you carry on believing what you want to believe if that makes you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, maxjam said: By someone going on the internet you mean an award winning data analyst that was previously Head of Health Analysis at the ONS. When the person lecturing us about 'sheer hypocrisy' is a dude on a Derby forum I know who I'd rather listen to! Fine you know nothing about me, and that's good with me. . And what's this guy's job now then? He doesn't seem to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 58 minutes ago, maxjam said: To be fair he did post this a little earlier; He highlights a few caveats in the replies but in short deaths will likely rise over the next few weeks whilst we get over the omicron blip which is already subsiding in London. So again he spouts garbage. "More are in hospital with it but not because of it so death data treat with caution". Wtf does that mean? He really is desperate for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: See above. It seems I have to say the same thing five or six times and still the message doesn't get through. Can I just suggest you carry on believing what you want to believe if that makes you happy. So he has just stated facts. As opposed to what we are being told from the official sources, which are quite often lies. maxjam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So again he spouts garbage. "More are in hospital with it but not because of it so death data treat with caution". Wtf does that mean? He really is desperate for attention. It means that 40% of the people being recorded as in hospital with Covid are actually in hospital for something else. Yet if that person dies it will still be recorded as a Covid death. Not really that hard to understand? Archied, maxjam, Andicis and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, G STAR RAM said: So he has just stated facts. As opposed to what we are being told from the official sources, which are quite often lies. He hasn't "just" stated facts. It's like giving a football report saying Derby won 12 corners to Coventry's 6 today. That's a fact . But you can't omit the rather more important fact that from one of the corners Coventry scored the only goal and knocked us out of the Cup. You can't just selectively quote stats that suit your agenda and miss out the ones that don't. Archied and maxjam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, PistoldPete said: He hasn't "just" stated facts. It's like giving a football report saying Derby won 12 corners to Coventry's 6 today. That's a fact . But you can't omit the rather more important fact that from one of the corners Coventry scored the only goal and knocked us out of the Cup. You can't just selectively quote stats that suit your agenda and miss out the ones that don't. So he has stated some facts but not others, but he hasnt twisted any facts like you claimed. At least the facts he is stating are true. Archied, Andicis and maxjam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Fine you know nothing about me, and that's good with me. . And what's this guy's job now then? He doesn't seem to have one. If you did an ounce of research rather than getting yourself upset over some tweets you would see from his website that he is a freelance data analyst. His 'About Me' is as follows Jamie Jenkins is the former Head of Health Analysis and Labour Market Analysis at the Office for National Statistics. Jamie has been providing daily data updates for the public on the Covid-19 pandemic the past year and has won awards from the Royal Statistical Society and United Nations for the presentation of data. He also worked at the BBC advising journalists on data over a General Election period, helping them challenge politicians. 7 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So again he spouts garbage. "More are in hospital with it but not because of it so death data treat with caution". Wtf does that mean? He really is desperate for attention. Desperate for attention or doing his job? And you will have to explain why its garbage. He states that deaths are due to rise following the omicron surge but qualifies it with the fact that many people have caught covid in hospital - a fact that was highlighted both in the media this week and the House of Commons. Someone seems desperate for attention and its not Jamie Jenkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: He hasn't "just" stated facts. It's like giving a football report saying Derby won 12 corners to Coventry's 6 today. That's a fact . But you can't omit the rather more important fact that from one of the corners Coventry scored the only goal and knocked us out of the Cup. You can't just selectively quote stats that suit your agenda and miss out the ones that don't. Why not , that’s what the government and they’re podium pals with they’re graphs and pie charts and their modellers have been doing for the last two years ??♂️ Edited January 8, 2022 by Archied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: It means that 40% of the people being recorded as in hospital with Covid are actually in hospital for something else. Yet if that person dies it will still be recorded as a Covid death. Not really that hard to understand? So they were admitted to hospital but either caught COVID in hospital or already had undiagnosed COVID when they were admitted? So why do we need to treat the deaths data with caution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Archied said: Why not , that’s what the government and they’re podium pals with they’re graphs and pie charts and their modellers have been doing for the last two years ??♂️ Yes , but if someone claims to have won awards for his presentation of facts to then resort to going on twitter selectively quoting facts out of context, which is not good presentation at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So they were admitted to hospital but either caught COVID in hospital or already had undiagnosed COVID when they were admitted? So why do we need to treat the deaths data with caution? Erm ,,, because of the difference between with and of maxjam and ramit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, PistoldPete said: Yes , but if someone claims to have won awards for his presentation of facts to then resort to going on twitter selectively quoting facts out of context, which is not good presentation at all. Has he won awards or is he just falsely claiming to have ? maxjam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, maxjam said: If you did an ounce of research rather than getting yourself upset over some tweets you would see from his website that he is a freelance data analyst. His 'About Me' is as follows Jamie Jenkins is the former Head of Health Analysis and Labour Market Analysis at the Office for National Statistics. Jamie has been providing daily data updates for the public on the Covid-19 pandemic the past year and has won awards from the Royal Statistical Society and United Nations for the presentation of data. He also worked at the BBC advising journalists on data over a General Election period, helping them challenge politicians. Desperate for attention or doing his job? And you will have to explain why its garbage. He states that deaths are due to rise following the omicron surge but qualifies it with the fact that many people have caught covid in hospital - a fact that was highlighted both in the media this week and the House of Commons. Someone seems desperate for attention and its not Jamie Jenkins. I have been on his website. His freelance work is "advising the public". So he needs people to follow him on twitter which is why he has to write sensationalist twaddle to get attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, PistoldPete said: I have been on his website. His freelance work is "advising the public". So he needs people to follow him on twitter which is why he has to write sensationalist twaddle to get attention. Surely with his background and qualifications he would find it easier to get attention parroting the official narrative and have a far easier life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So they were admitted to hospital but either caught COVID in hospital or already had undiagnosed COVID when they were admitted? So why do we need to treat the deaths data with caution? Because they will be recorded as a Covid death and people will be using these figures to try and force more restrictions upon us. Bald Eagle's Barmy Army, maxjam and Archied 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So they were admitted to hospital but either caught COVID in hospital or already had undiagnosed COVID when they were admitted? So why do we need to treat the deaths data with caution? Because you potentially have 40% of people padding the data. If they are coming in with something else and catching it in hospital most of those wouldn't have needed hospital treatment for covid but are now inflating the data. Likewise if people were already in hospital dying but then catch covid they are bumping up the numbers dying from covid. Hence dying 'with' not 'from' is a key distinction - kinda important if you're a professional award winning data analyst. 13 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: I have been on his website. His freelance work is "advising the public". So he needs people to follow him on twitter which is why he has to write sensationalist twaddle to get attention. Or factual. If you hire someone to collect or analyse data for you, you want actual results not sensationalist twaddle. I know your opinion of Jamie Jenkins and you know mine by now. I think the forum would be far happier if we dropped it ? Edited January 8, 2022 by maxjam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 32 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So they were admitted to hospital but either caught COVID in hospital or already had undiagnosed COVID when they were admitted? So why do we need to treat the deaths data with caution? If you can’t answer your own question mate you’re part of the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, Archied said: Surely with his background and qualifications he would find it easier to get attention parroting the official narrative and have a far easier life Controversy always creates more attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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