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5 minutes ago, maxjam said:

As a counter to Matt Hancock saying further measures could be taken and outside exercise banned, Angela Rayner has said the following;

Asked whether she agreed with Mr Hancock, Labour's newly-elected deputy leader Angela Rayner told Sky's Sophy Ridge: "It's alright for people who have got big houses and huge back gardens to say that.

"But actually if you're stuck in inadequate accommodation, you've got no back garden, you've got nowhere to go and you're all on top of each other, quite literally, then I think people should do social distancing and should keep their distance but also be reasonable and proportionate about that."

As an example of this check out the video at the top of the following article on Sky News.  Yes there are some idiots in it but especially take note from 58s onwards - people at a park sitting a good distance from each other with a big block of flats in the background.  Are we effectively going to try and lock people up in tiny flats that have no access to the outdoors?  

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-parks-busy-despite-lockdown-as-many-head-out-to-enjoy-the-sun-11968675

I agree we have to clamp down on the idiots, but you can't lock people up 24/7 without consequences.

 I see old labour is still alive and well. immediately politicising (and mis-quoting) what Hancock actually said!!

[RamNut]

5 minutes ago, maxjam said:

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-parks-busy-despite-lockdown-as-many-head-out-to-enjoy-the-sun-11968675

I agree we have to clamp down on the idiots, but you can't lock people up 24/7 without consequences.

Why can’t a bloke sit on an empty bench?

 

[Mucker1884]

I'm not aware of many. if any, taking up exercise since the virus kicked in.  I'd agree that many of the gym-goers needed to find an alternative.

I would also say... from a personal point of view... for those "looking for any excuse to get out", be that taking up jogging/walking/extra dog walks etc... why would you even want to do that?  Why put yourselves and others at risk unless you genuinely feel the NEED to go out?  Seems a tad crazy to me!

I also think that sunbathing in the park is against the spirit of the rules... but then I'm lucky enough to have enough garden space for the two of us to utilise, and not be cooped up in a third floor flat with no balcony.  I wouldn't like to make that call myself!
 

EDIT:
Posted before I saw the comments attributed to Angela Raynor, re people living in flats etc.

[Anag Ram]

I still run.

i reckon this is far safer than picking up stuff at a supermarket that dozens of others have touched.

I’m assuming we’ll still be able to go there once they’ve stopped us exercising?

[Mucker1884]

16 minutes ago, maxjam said:

As a counter to Matt Hancock saying further measures could be taken and outside exercise banned, Angela Rayner has said the following;

Asked whether she agreed with Mr Hancock, Labour's newly-elected deputy leader Angela Rayner told Sky's Sophy Ridge: "It's alright for people who have got big houses and huge back gardens to say that.

"But actually if you're stuck in inadequate accommodation, you've got no back garden, you've got nowhere to go and you're all on top of each other, quite literally, then I think people should do social distancing and should keep their distance but also be reasonable and proportionate about that."

As an example of this check out the video at the top of the following article on Sky News.  Yes there are some idiots in it but especially take note from 58s onwards - people at a park sitting a good distance from each other with a big block of flats in the background.  Are we effectively going to try and lock people up in tiny flats that have no access to the outdoors?  

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-parks-busy-despite-lockdown-as-many-head-out-to-enjoy-the-sun-11968675

I agree we have to clamp down on the idiots, but you can't lock people up 24/7 without consequences.

Whilst I'd fully concur with that last line, of those sat in parks in three's or more (In general, rather than specifically in this video), how many are likely to be living under the same roof?  Obviously that's a rhetorical question.  I'd guess a lot of the pics we are seeing of cops talking to folk, are based on this type of questioning, as opposed to moving them on?

And it goes without saying... sun bathing ain't exercise!

[G STAR RAM]

41 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Is that by personal observation or through the replies of members on here.

It could be that folks who were happy to go and pay to spend time in a sweaty gym are now being displaced outdoors. 

I've heard similar comments from friends that they've never seen so many people outdoors walking or running when they're exercising their dog. 

Personal observation. 

The number of people going past my house is way more than I would normally see.

Fair point re gyms though ?

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23 minutes ago, maxjam said:

As a counter to Matt Hancock saying further measures could be taken and outside exercise banned, Angela Rayner has said the following;

Asked whether she agreed with Mr Hancock, Labour's newly-elected deputy leader Angela Rayner told Sky's Sophy Ridge: "It's alright for people who have got big houses and huge back gardens to say that.

"But actually if you're stuck in inadequate accommodation, you've got no back garden, you've got nowhere to go and you're all on top of each other, quite literally, then I think people should do social distancing and should keep their distance but also be reasonable and proportionate about that."

As an example of this check out the video at the top of the following article on Sky News.  Yes there are some idiots in it but especially take note from 58s onwards - people at a park sitting a good distance from each other with a big block of flats in the background.  Are we effectively going to try and lock people up in tiny flats that have no access to the outdoors?  

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-parks-busy-despite-lockdown-as-many-head-out-to-enjoy-the-sun-11968675

I agree we have to clamp down on the idiots, but you can't lock people up 24/7 without consequences.

 

17 minutes ago, SIXTEEN AGAIN said:

 I see old labour is still alive and well. immediately politicising (and mis-quoting) what Hancock actually said!!

She seems to be contradicting what the new leader is saying though....

'Labour, the UK's main opposition party, will back the government's possible plans to ban outdoor exercise if it was "necessary" to reduce the number of deaths from coronavirus.

Sir Keir Starmer, who was elected Labour leader on Saturday, told the BBC's Andrew Marr: "Every time people break the guidance from the government, they put other people at risk."

His comments come after Health Secretary Matt Hancock said if people continue to "flout the rules" then the government will ban exercise outside of the home.

Sir Keir said the focus has to be “what is necessary to reduce the number of deaths”.

In his first full day as Labour leader, Sir Keir said he was going to work with the government and not “score party political points”. He added: “I’m not going to demand the impossible.”

But he said the government had made "mistakes" and that Labour would "ask difficult questions".'

 

 

[Mucker1884]

17 minutes ago, RamNut said:

Why can’t a bloke sit on an empty bench?

 

Maybe because he's not shopping for essentials, not travelling to work, and not exercising?

OK, he could quite possibly be taking a very short breather from doing such an activity.  After all, he does have sciatica! 
Maybe that was what first prompted the cop to stop and chat with him.  To find out just why he was sat there?  Maybe she only asked him to move on/go home, once he failed to show he was following the Government guidelines?

[A Ram for All Seasons]

41 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

I'm not aware of many. if any, taking up exercise since the virus kicked in

I have, because I have trapped a nerve in my left leg and can't lift my foot properly. I did go to the doctors to confirm it wasn't anything more serious, but they were all understandably scared of catching something off me and it wasn't a pleasant experience. My heel is still a bit numb but I can walk more or less normally.

[A Ram for All Seasons]

32 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Maybe because he's not shopping for essentials, not travelling to work, and not exercising?

OK, he could quite possibly be taking a very short breather from doing such an activity.  After all, he does have sciatica! 
Maybe that was what first prompted the cop to stop and chat with him.  To find out just why he was sat there?  Maybe she only asked him to move on/go home, once he failed to show he was following the Government guidelines?

I have problems with my sciatic nerve and I do my exercise in our local cemetery. There are very few people there and not a cop in sight.

[angieram]

12 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

I have problems with my sciatic nerve and I do my exercise in our local cemetery. There are very few people there and not a cop in sight.

They've locked our cemeteries in Amber Valley to discourage socialising there!

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22 minutes ago, angieram said:

They've locked our cemeteries in Amber Valley to discourage socialising there!

I hope that's not a grave mistake ?

[Mucker1884]

11 minutes ago, Paul71 said:

I hope that's not a grave mistake ?

Tomb is your post aimed at? 

[RamNut]

1 hour ago, Mucker1884 said:

Maybe because he's not shopping for essentials, not travelling to work, and not exercising?

OK, he could quite possibly be taking a very short breather from doing such an activity.  After all, he does have sciatica! 
Maybe that was what first prompted the cop to stop and chat with him.  To find out just why he was sat there?  Maybe she only asked him to move on/go home, once he failed to show he was following the Government guidelines?

Looks unnecessary to me.

still....perhaps he should be grateful he wasn’t tazered.

Quote

Police should be able fire tasers and plastic bullets at people who fail to comply with Britain's lockdown during the coronavirus pandemic, a senior former officer has suggested.

Kevin Hurley, who held senior positions at the Met and City of London Police, made the suggestion during an interview with Iain Dale on LBC radio on Thursday. 

He claimed officers should be able to shoot people with electric tazers or baton rounds who flout new rules saying they should avoid going out for non-essential reasons. 

In the astonishing outburst, the retired policeman started by saying Britain's bobbies should follow the example of India's paramilitary police, who routinely beat suspects with long sticks. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Mucker1884 said:

Maybe because he's not shopping for essentials, not travelling to work, and not exercising?

OK, he could quite possibly be taking a very short breather from doing such an activity.  After all, he does have sciatica! 
Maybe that was what first prompted the cop to stop and chat with him.  To find out just why he was sat there?  Maybe she only asked him to move on/go home, once he failed to show he was following the Government guidelines?

I'm beginning to have real issues with this essential work thing .  I can immediately think of a number of people who have no need to be working who are having too.  My uncle in a parts company for aerospace who have delayed orders,  the girl next door to me who works in a well known store now stocking fridges of milk in an effort to keep staff working and being essential.  My own wife who could work from him in a health environment but is being forced to share an office with four others for no reason.  I know people having to go to Nottingham daily from Derby for customer service jobs that sit there answering four of five calls all day .  Why are royal mail continuing to send there staff out pushing loads of crap selling pizzas and furniture through my door - surely they should be limiting staff hours , both of us are at risk in this scenario of cross contamination.

I am sure that psychologically, this is impacting on social interaction on days off.  People are getting stressed and peed off hearing the government spell out one thing but enforcing it only when it suit's . 

 

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1 minute ago, Mucker1884 said:

Tomb is your post aimed at? 

I'm not telling you , I'm being cryptic. 

[Mucker1884]

1 minute ago, RamNut said:

Looks unnecessary to me.

still....perhaps he should be grateful he wasn’t tazered.

 

Easter weekend coming up isn't it?  They'll probably leave it until after that!   

[Mucker1884]

5 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

I'm beginning to have real issues with this essential work thing .  I can immediately think of a number of people who have no need to be working who are having too.  My uncle in a parts company for aerospace who have delayed orders,  the girl next door to me who works in a well known store now stocking fridges of milk in an effort to keep staff working and being essential.  My own wife who could work from him in a health environment but is being forced to share an office with four others for no reason.  I know people having to go to Nottingham daily from Derby for customer service jobs that sit there answering four of five calls all day .  Why are royal mail continuing to send there staff out pushing loads of crap selling pizzas and furniture through my door - surely they should be limiting staff hours , both of us are at risk in this scenario of cross contamination.

I am sure that psychologically, this is impacting on social interaction on days off.  People are getting stressed and peed off hearing the government spell out one thing but enforcing it only when it suit's . 

 

Totally agree.
One minute I'm reading "essential work(ers) only", then the next "Is allowed to go to work if you cannot do your job at/from home".

I'm still not sure who should and shouldn't be doing what and when!

Daughter is out working (Carer for handicapped).
Sister is at work (In the offices of a Polythene extrusion factory.  I believe the majority is bin liners/disposable aprons and the like, for NHS, amongst others?).
Daughter-in-Law is out working, at the behest of her local Council (Dog warden for a sub-contractor to the council... Not Derby/Derbyshire).
Colleague's missus still working on a production line making some parts or other, which end up around the corner in RR aero engines?

I think that's it, from the folk I know.  The rest are either idling or working solely from home.

I closed our office (very small industrial roofing company) immediately (Mon 23/3).  I popped in merely to keep tabs on the post, when I went shopping last Tuesday, and will no doubt do the same when I go shopping again, which hopefully will be another week or so. 
(I go c. 400 yrds out of my way to get to the office from my Morrisons/Aldi route.  Nobody else is in the building).  
Everything else, I can do from home, some of it when face timing my colleague.

 

Still... the good news is... we've got 2 x 4 day weeks coming up!  Love Easter, me!  ?

[Tamworthram]

10 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Totally agree.
One minute I'm reading "essential work(ers) only", then the next "Is allowed to go to work if you cannot do your job at/from home".

I'm still not sure who should and shouldn't be doing what and when!

Daughter is out working (Carer for handicapped).
Sister is at work (In the offices of a Polythene extrusion factory.  I believe the majority is bin liners/disposable aprons and the like, for NHS, amongst others?).
Daughter-in-Law is out working, at the behest of her local Council (Dog warden for a sub-contractor to the council... Not Derby/Derbyshire).
Colleague's missus still working on a production line making some parts or other, which end up around the corner in RR aero engines?

I think that's it, from the folk I know.  The rest are either idling or working solely from home.

I closed our office (very small industrial roofing company) immediately (Mon 23/3).  I popped in merely to keep tabs on the post, when I went shopping last Tuesday, and will no doubt do the same when I go shopping again, which hopefully will be another week or so. 
(I go c. 400 yrds out of my way to get to the office from my Morrisons/Aldi route.  Nobody else is in the building).  
Everything else, I can do from home, some of it when face timing my colleague.

 

Still... the good news is... we've got 2 x 4 day weeks coming up!  Love Easter, me!  ?

I may be wrong but I think the official regulations say you can travel to work but only if you can’t work from home. I don’t think it says essential workers. So, I reckon, in theory you should go to work unless:

1) You can work from home

2))You are self isolating

3) You are shielded because you are vulnerable

4) You are unable to work (possibly furloughed) because your employer has no work for to you or has chosen to closeThere (I guess this would include retail and other outlets that have been forced to close).

There may be other reasons.