Guest Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Reading a graph wrong is not "an alternative theory" it's just reading a graph wrong Ok maybe you can explain why the UK and Swedish graphs are pretty much mirror images when one country has had lockdown and the other country hasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Ok maybe you can explain why the UK and Swedish graphs are pretty much mirror images when one country has had lockdown and the other country hasn't? Haven't got a clue. Maybe you could give us the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Ok maybe you can explain why the UK and Swedish graphs are pretty much mirror images when one country has had lockdown and the other country hasn't? Mirror image of what ? If you can explain what it is you think the graphs show that I didn't cover in the explanation I previously covered, it might be easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, TexasRam said: What Christmas and New Year? No. January and February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Haven't got a clue. Maybe you could give us the answer? Got no idea myself. A very basic assumption to make looking at the 2 is that a lockdown and no lockdown have yielded pretty similar results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Got no idea myself. A very basic assumption to make looking at the 2 is that a lockdown and no lockdown have yielded pretty similar results. And the reasons for this is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Ok maybe you can explain why the UK and Swedish graphs are pretty much mirror images when one country has had lockdown and the other country hasn't? Can you post the link again - scrolled back 20 pages but can't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, 1of4 said: And the reasons for this is? Maybe as the bloke in the clip on here yesterday put it , just think of it as our virus has developed a superpower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 46 minutes ago, 1of4 said: And the reasons for this is? No idea. Another basic assumption would be that the virus was following the normal pattern of winter respiratory illnesses rather than being affected by coming in and out of lockdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 43 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Can you post the link again - scrolled back 20 pages but can't find it. Page 873 posted by TexasRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: But when anyone else mentions alternative theories they are dismissed as right wing and fringe science because it is not peer reviewed The Great Barrington Declaration was promoted by a right wing thinktank and the lack of any peer review suggests it fringe science. Toby Young is clearly a right wing columnist. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. However, you are attempting to reposition you flawed argument as a tired right vs left debate, and that anyone posting alternative views is dismissed a being right wing. Which is clearly not the case. The debate is actually between believing in what the experts recommend, and not. "I think the grass is blue" "No it's green" "Have you got any evidence it's green?" "What evidence have you got it's blue?" "Well none really, but you should be able to show me evidence that it's green" "Just look outside. It's so blatantly green" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Norman said: No. January and February. I think you’ll find they were shut during their most profitable months also, but it’s just hospitality so no big issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, TexasRam said: I think you’ll find they were shut during their most profitable months also, but it’s just hospitality so no big issue. Yeah, they were. Who said it wasn't an issue? Just pointing out how the economy isn't exactly locked down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Norman said: Yeah, they were. Who said it wasn't an issue? Just pointing out how the economy isn't exactly locked down. Sorry I read your comment as “It's only really the hospitality sector that is closed” meaning really closed through lockdown and I thought it was a bit like “yeah it’s only them who cares type comment”. When actually is one industry that’s being completed destroyed and doubt we’ll ever see it back to normal now. So may have interpreted your comment incorrectly and if so apologies. If I didn’t then, dam you man!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Ok maybe you can explain why the UK and Swedish graphs are pretty much mirror images when one country has had lockdown and the other country hasn't? Ok got it thanks Apart from the differences in population and population density which have been covered at length, the main thing that strikes me is the idea that Sweden "has not locked down" is not really true. They tightened restrictions due to rising infections in November https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/sweden-toughens-up-coronavirus-rules-as-infections-and-deaths-rise.html And again in mid-December https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/recommendations-to-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19/ They have a set of temporary Pandemic Laws until September 2021 https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud These appear to be only marginally less restrictive than our rules, and maybe when our rules were at this level - if people had actually followed them we may have been able to stay at that level of restrictions. Scandinavians are culturally far more sensible and compliant than Brits. We're idiots So in conclusion, I'm not surprised the curve is similar to ours, as the premise that they've not locked down is false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Eddie said: It's not a lockdown, and never has been. I'd argue it is a lockdown (at least for me). Cant see friends or family Most shops closed Pubs /restaurants closed Indoor public places closed Illegal to meet anyone for any reason apart from exercise. Working from home 100% Apart from pointless curfews, closures of takeaways and banning exercise dunno what else you can really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 50 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Ok got it thanks Apart from the differences in population and population density which have been covered at length, the main thing that strikes me is the idea that Sweden "has not locked down" is not really true. They tightened restrictions due to rising infections in November https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/sweden-toughens-up-coronavirus-rules-as-infections-and-deaths-rise.html And again in mid-December https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/recommendations-to-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19/ They have a set of temporary Pandemic Laws until September 2021 https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud These appear to be only marginally less restrictive than our rules, and maybe when our rules were at this level - if people had actually followed them we may have been able to stay at that level of restrictions. Scandinavians are culturally far more sensible and compliant than Brits. We're idiots So in conclusion, I'm not surprised the curve is similar to ours, as the premise that they've not locked down is false Next.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: as the premise that they've not locked down is false No it’s not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, TexasRam said: No it’s not you forgot the explanation - there are two links there from Swedish govt websites explaining exactly what their lockdown restrictions are, by Swedish law. You might need to do a bit more than say "no it's not" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said: Ok got it thanks Apart from the differences in population and population density which have been covered at length, the main thing that strikes me is the idea that Sweden "has not locked down" is not really true. They tightened restrictions due to rising infections in November https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/sweden-toughens-up-coronavirus-rules-as-infections-and-deaths-rise.html And again in mid-December https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/recommendations-to-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19/ They have a set of temporary Pandemic Laws until September 2021 https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/restriktioner-och-forbud These appear to be only marginally less restrictive than our rules, and maybe when our rules were at this level - if people had actually followed them we may have been able to stay at that level of restrictions. Scandinavians are culturally far more sensible and compliant than Brits. We're idiots So in conclusion, I'm not surprised the curve is similar to ours, as the premise that they've not locked down is false There we go then, that is a reasonable answer. I will let you and Albert debate over population and population density as he has consistently told us that it is not really a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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