Curtains Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Why? Shouldn’t this be in the watchable telly thread? It could be. Wipe out history for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Curtains said: It could be. Wipe out history for all I care. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Statues aren't considered art Of course they are. Why do so many people go th Florence to look at Michaelangelo statues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: ? What’s difficult to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 54 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: Just out of interest, after reading the opinions of so many in here for a long time now, can anyone confidently say that they know what racism actually is? I think it’s perceived as discrimination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: Of course they are. Why do so many people go th Florence to look at Michaelangelo statues? A square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares... A sculpture can be art but just because something is a statue doesn't mean it's art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Curtains said: What’s difficult to understand. You. I don’t understand what the link to that David Dimbleby show is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Just now, AndyinLiverpool said: You. I don’t understand what the link to that David Dimbleby show is for. It’s to tell you how we got to today’s society. Good or Bad. It seems a lot of people in today’s society don’t understand it and I thought it might be useful and applicable. But not you it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, cheron85 said: A square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares... A sculpture can be art but just because something is a statue doesn't mean it's art maybe the protesters in Bristol were actually doing a performance art piece that involved toppling a statue and bunging it in the Avon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Just now, SchtivePesley said: maybe the protesters in Bristol were actually doing a performance art piece that involved toppling a statue and bunging it in the Avon ? No it was pure out and out vandalism. If they wanted it removed they should have lobbied the Bristol Council / government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Curtains said: No it was pure out and out vandalism. If they wanted it removed they should have lobbied the Bristol Council / government I was joking, but as for your second point - they have been lobbying the council for years by all accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: maybe the protesters in Bristol were actually doing a performance art piece that involved toppling a statue and bunging it in the Avon ? I could actually get on board with performance art like that 4 minutes ago, Curtains said: No it was pure out and out vandalism. If they wanted it removed they should have lobbied the Bristol Council / government I guess someone should tell Banksy to stop then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 41 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Statues aren't considered art - They're historical artefacts not art - So more like a book than a painting (that's not my opinion, I just googled it) But even then - Paintings don't survive unless they're artistically worthwhile preserving which is analysed on an ongoing basis - We don't just keep all art because it's art - As we shouldn't need to keep statues just because at some point someone decided to make a statue I really like the little area around the Clough/Taylor statue - and there's plenty of space there IMO to have a more detailed history of their role at the club, what they achieved and yes, the good and bad elements of what they did - More like a memorial - Also, would be a better source of information in the distant future when those of us who remember Clough (if not his time at Derby) aren't around any more I agree. But that doesn't necessarily the support of removing all statues or even the Colston statue What I'm taking from that is add even more history and even more context. Which I agree with. I'm guessing Colston does have a reason to be preserved. That reason is Bristol. It has a reason to be removed. That's obvious. And it's the pros vs cons that have been debated for decades. Until someone removed the reason to debate by being vandals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Alpha said: I agree. But that doesn't necessarily the support of removing all statues or even the Colston statue What I'm taking from that is add even more history and even more context. Which I agree with. I'm guessing Colston does have a reason to be preserved. That reason is Bristol. It has a reason to be removed. That's obvious. And it's the pros vs cons that have been debated for decades. Until someone removed the reason to debate by being vandals. Whether statues are or aren't actually removed is not for me to decide - I just don't see the point in them and think we might as well remove them all There's a statue of Colston because he did a lot of good things with his money - However the reason he had that money was because he made a decent amount of it through slavery Essentially he did nice things for white, British people by exploiting Black Africans - I'm not sure that's something to be celebrated - Would we build a statue to someone who funded cancer research by trading in blood diamonds? Does the end justify the means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 On the statue thing , vandalism stuff , isn’t it interesting how fast the person urinating next to a memorial was identified, found ,named in the media and jailed yet no such speed regards the vandalism of statues ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Paul71 said: Kick off is 1 pm Yeah, but 2.55 is right about when the moaning will start. I'll be in my car at 1.45 to beat the traffic....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Yeah, but 2.55 is right about when the moaning will start. I'll be in my car at 1.45 to beat the traffic....? If kick off is 1pm, the moaning will start at 12pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, AndyinLiverpool said: If kick off is 1pm, the moaning will start at 12pm Shouldn’t this be in another thread lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: If kick off is 1pm, the moaning will start at 12pm Let's start now to beat the rush! 7 minutes ago, Curtains said: Shouldn’t this be in another thread lol. .....and you can stop right there.....freedom to moan is our inalienable right. Boris is for freedom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Let's start now to beat the rush! .....and you can stop right there.....freedom to moan is our inalienable right. Boris is for freedom ? https://youtu.be/X9ugtPn2crQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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