Sith Happens Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Curtains said: I reiterate a successful economy will help the homeless You would think so yet they rose to incredibly high levels through the turn of the century. They did decline dramatically through the tough times towards the end of the noughties, and while increasing some during the austerity of the last decade they are nowhere near what they where when the economy was healthy Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Paul71 said: You would think so yet they rose to incredibly high levels through the turn of the century. They did decline dramatically through the tough times towards the end of the noughties, and while increasing some during the austerity of the last decade they are nowhere near what they where when the economy was healthy Go figure Go figure is that an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Curtains said: Notice you missed out about other European Countries being worse than the UK. Typical Labour man saying I don’t care about the homeless and food banks. Of course I care I often give a few pennies to the homeless in Derby. Labour don’t have a divine right to care and rich people often give to charity . I wonder how npmuch Corbyn donates. I reiterate a successful economy will help the homeless and food bank use. Labour and Corbyn would trash the economy. Why bother posting anything if you are going to react like a defensive child when asked to explain your posts? I haven't mentioned other European states simply because you've not referenced them. How does their situation confirm a booming UK economy anyway? And where have I said you don't care about homelessness or the use of foodbanks? You brought them into the debate implying that they did not matter. I've simply asked why? How is that inferring you don't care? It's you that's putting words in others' mouths pal, not me! Jeez, if you can't have a civilised conversation about what you post, then why post at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Why bother posting anything if you are going to react like a defensive child when asked to explain your posts? I haven't mentioned other European states simply because you've not referenced them. How does their situation confirm a booming UK economy anyway? And where have I said you don't care about homelessness or the use of foodbanks? You brought them into the debate implying that they did not matter. I've simply asked why? How is that inferring you don't care? It's you that's putting words in others' mouths pal, not me! Jeez, if you can't have a civilised conversation about what you post, then why post at all? Other European countries was in the last link. Getting all insulting now I see. Labour man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Curtains said: Go figure is that an insult. Why would it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Paul71 said: Why would it be? Always thought go figure was an insult but it can be interpreted as a meaning of correctness. Ill get my coat. Have a good evening mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Curtains said: Always thought go figure was an insult but it can be interpreted as a meaning of correctness. Ill get my coat. Have a good evening mate. No, im just saying that a healthy economy doesn't always mean low homeless figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Curtains said: Other European countries was in the last link. Getting all insulting now I see. Labour man So the bottom line is that you really have no evidence at all to back up your claims. You'd rather have a slanging match and expect everyone to take your assertions as facts. Fair enough mate! As you were. By the way, calling me a 'Labour man' really doesn't ruffle me. It's quite peculiar that you seem to think it might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Paul71 said: No, im just saying that a healthy economy doesn't always mean low homeless figures Well some homeless prefer to be on the street . I think that’s because they get in a rut for whatever reason . Sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Curtains said: Well some homeless prefer to be on the street . I think that’s because they get in a rut for whatever reason . Sad really. You will only get homeless or unemployment figures down to a certain number Some people want help, some don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Curtains said: Well some homeless prefer to be on the street . I think that’s because they get in a rut for whatever reason . Sad really. Not sure how relevant it is. Are you suggesting all homelessness is because they want to be? I presume not. Are you suggesting that homelessness isn't an important issue because some people prefer to be on the streets? Again, I hope not. Not sure what your point is here. One thing I will say - it is a damning indictment on society if we need to have a booming economy to care about homelessness. Because the flip side is while we have a struggling economy, human lives are unimportant. Or, more precisely, less important than making money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Van Wolfie said: I don't believe he wants to eradicate business. He does want to nationalise some of them and milk the rest until they (likely) re-locate or go bust. The last number I saw was an extra £83m from business taxes. Well' that was before the bizarre £50 odd billion extra for waspi women, so who knows what it is now. It's the unintended consequences of his policies that worry me and seeing the ineptitude displayed in recent days I have no confidence that they are even in their calculations at all. That's their funding plan - a 44 page document that shows the workings behind the 83bn. It's all taxes - business, personal, financial transaction tax etc etc. They've at least put something up to be shot at. Obviously it's a forecast so will be inaccurate. Well, out by 58bn for a start. But to be absolutely fair, the workings are drawn from all sorts of published papers from various bodies. It's not just the labour party making up numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Not sure how relevant it is. Are you suggesting all homelessness is because they want to be? I presume not. Are you suggesting that homelessness isn't an important issue because some people prefer to be on the streets? Again, I hope not. Not sure what your point is here. One thing I will say - it is a damning indictment on society if we need to have a booming economy to care about homelessness. Because the flip side is while we have a struggling economy, human lives are unimportant. Or, more precisely, less important than making money. You always do this . Of course the homeless are important. There are lots of reasons why people are homeless . Do not worry Corbyn is on the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Still no evidence of what Corbyn and his labour-activists-dressed-as-nhs-workers claimed today. What he claimed was 451 pages of proof turned out to be nothing of the sort Embarrassing own goal and shameful gimmickry rolled into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The document that Corbyn was brandishing this morning may or may not indicate that the tories plan to sell off the NHS. What shouldn't be overlooked is the other subjects that are contained within it. * Drug pricing and patents. If we allow the large American drug companies to get they way. The cost of the NHS drug bill will greatly increase, no matter who owns it. * Food safety. Not going down the rabbit hole, of chlorinated chickens * Food labelling. A reduction on what as to be clearly shown on all packaging. * Climate change. The USA won't discuss the reducing of greenhouse gases in any trade deal. Which would mean that if we continue complying with the Paris agreement, then UK companies would be at a disadvantage when competing with US imports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, 1of4 said: The document that Corbyn was brandishing this morning may or may not indicate that the tories plan to sell off the NHS. What shouldn't be overlooked is the other subjects that are contained within it. * Drug pricing and patents. If we allow the large American drug companies to get they way. The cost of the NHS drug bill will greatly increase, no matter who owns it. * Food safety. Not going down the rabbit hole, of chlorinated chickens * Food labelling. A reduction on what as to be clearly shown on all packaging. * Climate change. The USA won't discuss the reducing of greenhouse gases in any trade deal. Which would mean that if we continue complying with the Paris agreement, then UK companies would be at a disadvantage when competing with US imports. Answer this did Labour accuse the Tories over and over of not negotiating Trade deals for post Brexit . Now they have-communicated they get lambasted for it . The NHS is not for sale. Corbyn is really desperate I’d say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Curtains said: Answer this did Labour accuse the Tories over and over of not negotiating Trade deals for post Brexit . Now they have-communicated they get lambasted for it . The NHS is not for sale. Corbyn is really desperate I’d say. They sold off your water. They sold off your energy. They sold off your railways. They sold off your buses. They sold off your oil. They sold off your gas. What makes you think they'd bat an eye about selling off your NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, GboroRam said: They sold off your water. They sold off your energy. They sold off your railways. They sold off your buses. They sold off your oil. They sold off your gas. What makes you think they'd bat an eye about selling off your NHS? Well don’t worry you lot are going to re nationalise everything back to state control and it will cost Billions. Labour began the dismantling of the NHS https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/moment-of-honesty-is-required-new-labour-began-dismantling-of-our-nhs/P Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, GboroRam said: They sold off your water. They sold off your energy. They sold off your railways. They sold off your buses. They sold off your oil. They sold off your gas. What makes you think they'd bat an eye about selling off your NHS? You missed off gold reserves...oh no wait a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, 1of4 said: The document that Corbyn was brandishing this morning may or may not indicate that the tories plan to sell off the NHS. What shouldn't be overlooked is the other subjects that are contained within it. * Drug pricing and patents. If we allow the large American drug companies to get they way. The cost of the NHS drug bill will greatly increase, no matter who owns it. * Food safety. Not going down the rabbit hole, of chlorinated chickens * Food labelling. A reduction on what as to be clearly shown on all packaging. * Climate change. The USA won't discuss the reducing of greenhouse gases in any trade deal. Which would mean that if we continue complying with the Paris agreement, then UK companies would be at a disadvantage when competing with US imports. Yep - but some will just sneer and dismiss it. More fool them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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