Parsnip Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Psychology is essentially a materialistic pseudo science which tries to locate everything in the mind, even archetypes and the collective unconscious. I don't really find that convincing; there are more things in heaven and earth. Way to belittle my life's work. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, Parsnip said: Way to belittle my life's work. ? As the saying goes, we've had a hundred years of psychoanalysis and things are getting worse. And yes, I trained in it too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Parsnip said: I studied dream interpretation as part of my post grad psychology degree. Did you really? I was taught that there are no universally applicable symbols, so you're on dodgy ground assuming that you can interpret someone else's. The method we used was getting the person to retell their dream out loud, first person present tense, and then work with what that actually brought up in the session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, Lambchop said: Did you really? Nope. Just setting up my little joke. What happens in other people's heads is the last thing I'd ever want to study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, Parsnip said: Nope. Just setting up my little joke. What happens in other people's heads is the last thing I'd ever want to study. Fairy nuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Foot long meat in a bloodstained tunnel tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Foot long meat in a bloodstained tunnel tho. If that ain't a universally applicable symbol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Lambchop said: Was walking through the underground when I noticed a side tunnel going down. Thought it might be a shortcut, avoiding the trains, so decided to go that way. It went on for miles, but I was convinced it would bring me out by a green bridge, which eventually it did. Weird bit 1) The bridge and surrounding streets were totally familiar, every shop and paving stone, virtually. There was a strong emotional feeling of connection and being at home, but even in the dream I was trying to work out how I knew the place. I thought maybe I remembered it from a previous dream, because I was aware it wasn't real. Weird bit 2) There was a crocodile on the bridge. As a kid, I was so scared of crocodiles, my mum had to tell me they only existed in fairy stories. It tried to bite me, so I just kicked it into the river. Weird bit 3) When I crossed the bridge and went to go down the next tunnel, it was cordoned off. An ambulance person told me that someone's heart had exploded, and they were still clearing up the blood, but the person had been taken to hospital and was ok. I looked in the tunnel, and saw bloodstains all over the walls, and a foot long piece of meat hanging from a light fitting. Woke up at that point, and spent the next few minutes wondering how on earth the person had survived when the shattered remains of their heart had been left in the tunnel. I can still picture it really clearly and it still feels disturbing. I still have the feeling that maybe I should have done something about it. If you talk to a dream specialist, they will probably tell you that you are going to win the lottery or go on a trip somewhere. All relative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 On 29/09/2018 at 18:04, StivePesley said: According to that National Geographic article that is a good thing! Sign of a healthy sleeper Hmmm. I can't remember having a dream since I was a kid. But I can assure you I am no healthy sleeper. More of but not quite an insomniac. (Maybe that is the problem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, BathRam72 said: If you talk to a dream specialist, they will probably tell you that you are going to win the lottery or go on a trip somewhere. All relative I am... but not with my relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Ahem...not ALL relatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, StivePesley said: Another thing that always perplexes me about dreams - you tend to convince yourself that they are mainly based on old memories, anxieties, fears etc, and for the most part that's true, but every now and again I will have a dream where I meet someone, and I have no idea who they are. They aren't anyone from real life, or even vaguely anything like anyone I know - yet my brain has perfectly constructed them, their face, features, body, clothes, voice, personality. And I can still remember them clearly when I wake up. How and why does your brain do that? Surely it would be easier and quicker to make it someone you know, or make them a faceless nonentity? After watching the TV series called Flash Forward where they build an online portal called Mosiac, I really wanted to build a platform where people could upload their dreams and see if there was any cross reference, especially in the case of meeting/seeing someone in your dream and seeing if there is a chance to prove if hive minds were actually real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 In the last week, I've been offered a DJ residency at Carl Froch's newish bar, counselled Fearne Cotton on the pressures of fame while consoling her on her chavvy Benidorm wedding, led a SWAT raid on a suspected serial killer, whilst simultaneously directing the accompanying feature film, and been sat on a pier watching the Harper's Bazaar magazine annual parade of next year's fashion trends float past, while ignoring the attempted conversation efforts of the two unknown Supermodels sat on the dock with me! In real life, I've got up at the same time, followed the same route to work, done the same thing for 8hrs, came home the same way and done the same thing things every evening. Dreams are my saviour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, reveldevil said: In real life, I've got up at the same time, followed the same route to work, done the same thing for 8hrs, came home the same way and done the same thing things every evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I saw a documentary recently about prisoners. One guy said "You're never in prison while you're asleep". Maybe dreams are an aid to keeping sane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Parsnip said: I prefer Charmless Man, it fits better too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Has anyone experienced lucid dreaming? Where you are conscious of the fact that you are dreaming and can direct your dream to wherever you want it to go? I've been close a handful of times, but not fully - and only ever by accident. I'm led to believe that there are communities on the internet dedicated to the practice - and loads of tech solutions aimed at helping you master it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 4 hours ago, StivePesley said: Has anyone experienced lucid dreaming? Where you are conscious of the fact that you are dreaming and can direct your dream to wherever you want it to go? I've been close a handful of times, but not fully - and only ever by accident. I'm led to believe that there are communities on the internet dedicated to the practice - and loads of tech solutions aimed at helping you master it Not sure if it's the same thing but I'm often able to "withdraw" myself from a dream if it is moving away from the normal weird stuff into something more sinister. The best way I can describe it is that instead of being actively involved in the dream, I can pull myself out of it to the extent that it feels like I'm now a passive observer (like watching a film) rather than being in the centre of the action. That then somehow gives me a degree of control over the direction of it. I've never been able to gain that control whilst still immersed in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, Wolfie said: Not sure if it's the same thing but I'm often able to "withdraw" myself from a dream if it is moving away from the normal weird stuff into something more sinister. The best way I can describe it is that instead of being actively involved in the dream, I can pull myself out of it to the extent that it feels like I'm now a passive observer (like watching a film) rather than being in the centre of the action. That then somehow gives me a degree of control over the direction of it. I've never been able to gain that control whilst still immersed in it. I guess it must be a type of lucidity - there is an app that looks a bit bonkers and has all sorts of ways to influence dreams (allegedly) https://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/lucid-dreamer-app.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 6 hours ago, StivePesley said: Has anyone experienced lucid dreaming? Where you are conscious of the fact that you are dreaming and can direct your dream to wherever you want it to go? Kinda. As the song says, the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had. Generally in these I'm able to leave and look down on my body, and then fly about pretty much at will. If I wake up, sometimes I can get straight back into the lucid state. I find these dreams have a very different quality to the usual churning the subconscious ones. They are vivid, realistic, and leave a lasting impression, like waking experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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