IlsonDerby Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 what I've read in terms of what people think needed to be done this summer (from various threads) seems to vary quite a lot from tinkering to whole sale changes. I figured it'd be nice to get a thread where we can actually discuss that. just a note - we are not discussing managers/potential managers just what you thought needed to be done in terms of the first team squad this season. Can we try to be realistic too? For me I'd have attempted to get rid of Grant, keogh, Bryson, Hendrick and Martin. id have liked to have replaced keogh and Martin with another right sided cb who can play out from the back and another striker who has a decent physical present and can link up the play/ hold the ball up. I'd have also attempted to bring in a Eustace 2.0. I would have attempted to have played the same system as before (433) but without the spine of the side that has three years of near misses on their minds. Bryson and Hendricks rolls could have been taken by Hughes and Johnson with new Eustace playing the holding roll whilst George recovers. I would have given weimann, Russell, camara and Ince pre season to impress in the wide roles but would like to have seen someone like anya come in anyway so that Weimann could be used centrally as an alternate option to the big man up front. Id have loaned out Bent and potentially Baird (unless it was decided he could be the new Eustace) and would have off loaded shotton, albentosa and one of shackell, Pearce or Buxton as 3 cbs all trying for the left side isn't efficient. A squad going into the season knowing their roles in a 433 (ie knowing when to press and when to drop off) looking like this: carson christie new cb shackell Forsyth new eustace/baird hughes Johnson ince new target man anya subs include: Mitchell, Pearce/Buxton, Hanson, butterfield, Russell, Weimann, elsnik/camara id enjoy seeing that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1986 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Damn.....I thought you were breaking news about a new instalment to that much loved Sarah Michelle Gellar/Jennifer Love Hewitt movie franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Hindsight is a wonderful thing On 07/08/2016 at 15:07, IlsonDerby said: I will add that as a none football hipster I quite like the 442, it provides a solid base to work on and if you get the personnel right it can be devastating. I believe the only personnel were lacking are an out and out winger or 2 to provide natural width as that is where the usefulness of the 442 comes in. Pacey striker on the shoulder ready to break or down the two wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I would have gone to Belgium and spent a week drinking the greatest beers in the world. You know, like I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, eddie said: I would have gone to Belgium and spent a week drinking the greatest beers in the world. You know, like I did. I would have avoided getting arrested in Nigeria, like I didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Spent a month at the playboy mansion, then spent a month on a beach somewhere recovering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I would have given NP a rim job, and used the photos to blackmail him into walking away without a payoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I'd have stayed clear of Troy. Like I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Bought players in positions we are fragile in e.g Another rb, another cb, another cdm,a genuine wide man an another forward who is actually a forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I'll tell you what I wouldn't have done and that is to try and change a system with the only business done on deadline day and no loan system .Madness and rank bad management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Kept the same system. Got backup for Thorne. Trimmed the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I think I would have signed Ritchie Da Laat and Matty James. I would have also tried to have signed Nugent and had I known he was available definitely Vydra. I would have sent Blackman out on loan if anyone would have had him. I would have also looked in the mirror and asked myself if I had really just let Arry, the dodgiest man in football come near my football club and suggest ways to make it better. My choice for manager would have been from Warburton, Di Matteo or Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Nicotine, valium, vicadine, marijuana, ecstasy and alcohol. Co co co cocaine. And perhaps hire mark Warburton. Be realistic sbout how ffp limits our manoeuvres. Be completely up for selling the old guard at the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I'd have had a total squad clearout myself. I believe the complete captiulations we'd had over the last few years meant that something is clearly wrong with the mentality of the current playing squad, as so many managers have failed- so something needed to be done about the playing staff if we are ever going to be successful Id have sold Grant, Hendrick, Martin, Keogh, Bryson, Russell, Forsyth, and if possible Blackman Id have tried to bring in a real leader at the back to replace keogh, no matter the price we needed a top drawer centre half who isn't error prone. Had I known vydra was available I'd have definately bought him to replace Martin as well, brilliant player who im shocked Watford sold. I'd have also brought in a defensive mid to cover for throne, someone who can break up play and start attacks Id have stuck with the wingers we had and brought in a Russell replacement, Anya does seem a good choice for this, and also brought in another goal scoring forward to challenge Vydra Id have also got rid of all the deadwood we did get rid of- Buxton, Sammon etc. I'd have also looked at bringing in 2 quality full backs to compete with Olsson and Christie, Yedlin would have been good at Rb, not sure who was available at left back Id have switched formations to a 4231 and lined up something like Carson new rb New cb Shackell Olsson/ new lb Hughes Thorne (c) Weimann Ince Camara/Anya Vydra Subs: Mitchell Christie Pearce Butterfield new winger new striker That would have shaken the squad up a bit and hopeful got them out of the lull they seem to have been in for the last 2 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Tried to get rid of; Shackell, Pearce, Shotton, Olsson, Bent, Blackman, Johnson, Baird, Camara, Roos and Weimann - loans if we have to. Still sold Jeff for the price we did. Leaving you with; Carson, Grant, Mitchell; Christie; Keogh, Bucko, Rawson; Fozzy, Lowe; George, Hanson; Bryso, Willberforce, Butters, Timi Max; Ince, Russell; Martin. Leaving us needing; a ball-playing centre-half, a right-back, 'Newstace', a link-up winger, a tricky winger and a target man. It's not about 'having the bottle to break up the old guard' - it's about realising that they are both our best players still and the remnents of our footballing identity who we should be building around anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Leeds Ram said: Hindsight is a wonderful thing On 07/08/2016 at 15:07, IlsonDerby said: I will add that as a none football hipster I quite like the 442, it provides a solid base to work on and if you get the personnel right it can be devastating. I believe the only personnel were lacking are an out and out winger or 2 to provide natural width as that is where the usefulness of the 442 comes in. Pacey striker on the shoulder ready to break or down the two wings. That's the thing, we do have hindsight. My above comment was once we knew we had Pearson coming in and it was fairly obvious it was going to be 442. I do feel like we needed 2 wingers to make it work but I assumed our centre midfielders would work in a 2. Ovciously I don't see them in training where it should be pretty apparent they wouldn't work in a two. Without going into a debate about managers I was happy with the appointment of Pearson at the time but I would have also been happy with Wassall carrying it on. I was quite open to anything. Hindsight and 2 months of dire football tells me the 442 was a bad idea but I'd expect to have known that sooner if I was watching them train day in day out. I'll stand by my comment that I like 442. The greatest manager ever sir Alex used it consistently so it can't be too shabby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyram1983 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 We're at the point now where we have an inflated squad on big money. Not many of them are good enough for a promotion side. Try and offload as many as possible. Bring through some youth players and don't sign any or many. The club is going through a transition and we've got a massive wage bill. All we can do is try and build a better team using our youth players in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyram1983 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 We can't keep buying players that aren't better than we already have and this is the problem and reason that we are in decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskination Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I would have sold up this football club and handed it over to some bottomless pocketed *insert nationality here*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 minute ago, IlsonDerby said: That's the thing, we do have hindsight. My above comment was once we knew we had Pearson coming in and it was fairly obvious it was going to be 442. I do feel like we needed 2 wingers to make it work but I assumed our centre midfielders would work in a 2. Ovciously I don't see them in training where it should be pretty apparent they wouldn't work in a two. Without going into a debate about managers I was happy with the appointment of Pearson at the time but I would have also been happy with Wassall carrying it on. I was quite open to anything. Hindsight and 2 months of dire football tells me the 442 was a bad idea but I'd expect to have known that sooner if I was watching them train day in day out. I'll stand by my comment that I like 442. The greatest manager ever sir Alex used it consistently so it can't be too shabby... I think formations/systems are frequently subject to the old management trap of "trend following" - I think the next one's the Klopp "gugenpreeseen" or whatever it's called, will be a thing everyone tries to do, same as a few years ago it was tika taka possession at all costs, trends to be totally fluid, trends to be very organised and so on, these fashions come and go. Man U had some great 4-4-2 teams in the day, but they played many variations on how the attacking midfield and out n out strikers organised themselves down the years. It seems to me the trend has been away from 2 up top for a few years now, I'd guess because the thinking is over the 90 minutes an extra midfielder influences things more than the extra striker averages goals (my speculation, not baaed on "facts") I don't think it was 4-4-2 per se that was the team's problem, it was the way we were going about it crushed the positive aspects of Bryson and Hughes and that sacrifice wasn't helping the team overall by having the extra striker. If we were going down that route, the only way i could see it working is Johnson and Hendrick as the two and Martin/weimann(?). But Pearson wanted two fast run in behind strikers not a link man/quick man combo. I think the bone of contention between Mel and Pearson may well have been Mel's view we have a very good squad, we're keeping most of it vs Pearson's view that to be the team he wants they must play his way or get transferred. I wasn't pro-Pearson, but when he came in, tried to get behind it, the same as we all did. I'd have not got upset if they'd give it Wassall (but some noisy fans might have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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